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Hamlet Discussion Board 2018

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Greetings, AP Students! 

 

This seminar is an ONLINE discussion which will prepare us for an in-class discussion and help you prepare for the Hamlet end-of-unit test.  

 

Click here for your rubric. 

 

Note: Participation should not be limited to simply answering my questions. Instead, discussions should follow an ongoing process of reviewing and responding to classmates' and my comments in a dialogue fashion. Discussion postings should include application of the session's readings to the issues raised in the discussion prompt.

 

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Username: (usually your first name and last initial)

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You should log into and participate in the discussion at least three separate times on three separate days. Your first posting must be your response to the discussion questions I pose, followed by at least two responses to your classmates' comments.

 

Here are your directions: 

  1. Your first posting is a response to the questions below. Your response should be thorough, detailed, and apply readings from this unit to support your response. You must post your first reply by 11:59 PM on Wednesday, December 12th.
  2.  Your second and third postings should be replies to your classmates' posts. Your replies should BEGIN BY ADDRESSING YOUR PEER by NAME and may do one or all of the following: 
    1. Pose a follow-up or related question
    2. Articulate and explain agreement or disagreement
    3. Bring up a related point
  3.   Your follow-up postings must be posted by 11:59 PM on Friday, December 14th. 
  4.  All sub-questions or comments on your initial response must be addressed by you before the discussion closes, by: 11:59 PM on Monday, December 17th. 
  5. You may post more than three times! 

 

Discussion Questions:

A.  Why is Hamlet included in the English Literary Canon? What reasons justify or call into question its place of honor in literary studies?

B.  What line(s) from Hamlet seem most significant? What is the significance of those lines? How do they connect with a theme of the play? 

 

Comments (330)

sophiaw said

at 11:17 am on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included in the literary canon because of its unique style and accurate representation of human experiences. For example, Shakespeare’s works are written in a very early form of the English language. It is important to know the history of our language, and Hamlet accurately gives readers a sense of what older English was. Hamlet also has an accurate representation of the types of things that humans go through. One instance of this is when Laertes runs into the castle, threating to overthrow Claudius. During the time period this was written in, it was a true concern of monarchs to be ousted from their throne. Although many of the experiences in Hamlet may be more exaggerated than anything that would realistically happen to us now, it still shows the feelings and mental struggles that people still go through today. In the whole play, Hamlet is having feelings of self-doubt and even contemplates taking his life. In the time of the play this would be considered an attitude of melancholy, but this can be related to depression in modern times.

sophiaw said

at 11:24 am on Dec 12, 2018

These ideas are supported by Matthew Truesdale's interpretation of Hamlet, who also believes that Hamlet is an important part of the literary canon. He directly agrees with my idea that Shakespeare's works can teach us about human experiences. He even states "I believe he has much to teach us about the modern human condition." He thinks that Shakespeare's work are pieces that people can study to learn about themselves, which is an important part of literature belonging in the English Literary Canon.

andrewg said

at 5:04 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello, Sophie. I strongly agree with your point about how it is important to understand the history of our language. If not for the learning of old English, such as Hamlet, that period of time would almost be forgotten about. I also agree with your point on how the characters really are not too different from us in terms of the emotions and feelings they portray.

sophiaw said

at 2:47 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Thanks, Andrew! It is extremely important to learn about the history of our literary culture and Shakespeare's Hamlet is an amazing way to do that.

ayanab said

at 10:36 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Sophie I agree with your statement about Hamlet having an" accurate representation of things that humans go through". For example Hamlet was madly in love for Ophelia, teenagers experience the chance t have strong feelings for one another and have their heart broken. Love is something that many readers can relate to within in this play wether its with a partner or even the love he had for his mom.

sophiaw said

at 2:53 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Ayana, I also think that Hamlet's loss of Ophelia caused some of these feeling he was experiencing. Great point!

jacobc said

at 1:33 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Great vocabulary by mentioning how Hamlet's behavior relating to feelings of melancholy. However, how would you compare the struggles of a depressed individual in Hamlet's era to one now?

sophiaw said

at 2:52 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Jacob, I would compare Hamlet's struggles to depression today because many people today are going through similar situations that Hamlet is, such as loss of a parent or a relationship ending that could lead to depression or this melancholy Hamlet is experiencing.

sophiaw said

at 11:18 am on Dec 12, 2018

B) One of the quotes from Hamlet that I see to be most significant is one said by Laertes to Hamlet at the end of the play. Laertes states, “Exchange forgiveness with me, noble Hamlet, mine and my father’s death come not upon thee, nor thine on me” (5.2.361-63). Laertes is asking for Hamlet to forgive him for stabbing him, and then Laertes will forgive Hamlet for killing himself and Polonius. I think this quote is largely representative of many different themes within Hamlet such as death, revenge, and forgiveness. This quote shows revenge because it displays the extent to which both Hamlet and Laertes went through, just to get revenge on one another. Laertes needed revenge so badly, so he killed Hamlet even though he was questioning whether it was against his morals or not. It also shows the theme of forgiveness by having Hamlet and Laertes both forgive one another, to give a peaceful resolution to the story despite the death involved. The theme of death is portrayed in this quote also, by showing that Laertes and Hamlet both want to go to heaven. At this point in the play, they both understand death, and they know that they must repent for their sins in order to be forgiven.

morganl said

at 7:34 pm on Dec 12, 2018

Hi, Sophie! I love your choice of quote, as I think it is am important one. I agree with you that Laertes' forgiveness of Hamlet is a crucial moment in the plot, and I think it shows how everything comes full circle. As you stated, all of the conflicts in the story were resolved with Hamlet and Laertes killing each other. More than each of them fulfilling their revenge, they each (Hamlet mainly) came to terms with their own mortality and faced death nobly, each wanting to be on good terms with the other. I love your explanation of the related themes, as this scene was significant in concluding the plot and resolving each character's issues.

sophiaw said

at 8:35 am on Dec 14, 2018

Thanks Morgan! Like you said, all the conflicts in the story were resolved with death. I find this very interesting that all the characters thought the only way they could resolve their issues with other people, was through murdering them.

emilym said

at 12:47 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Sophie! I like how you connected three separate themes to a single line. I agree that this quote is important, as it is part of the resolution of the play, when everything is set right. I never thought of Laertes forgiveness at the end as a way to resolve his sins, which makes so much sense. Do you think that Hamlet and Laertes actually regretted their actions and forgave each other or was it merely a way to get into Heaven?

sophiaw said

at 2:55 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Emily, I do think that Hamlet and Laertes actually regretted their actions, not only trying to get into heaven. Before Hamlet apologized to Laertes, he mentioned that he was a noble man, so this makes me think that Hamlet actually regretted his actions, and truly felt bad.

mannatk said

at 6:17 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Sophie! I agree that this quote expresses the theme of forgiveness very well. I also believe that they wanted to be forgiven for their sins because they were afraid of what was to come once they died and tried to do everything in their last moments to avoid the possibility of being sent to purgatory or hell.

sophiaw said

at 5:08 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hello Mannat! I think you are completely right that they forgave each other for fears of what would happen in their afterlife. Throughout the entire play, Hamlet's view of death has been evolving. It was not until the end that Hamlet realized he needed to start acting noble or else he might not get into heaven. So, I also think that he apologized to Laertes with the main reasoning to save himself.

esmeraldas said

at 12:08 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A.
Valerie Strauss states in her article that “Shakespeare… is seen by many as the greatest writer in the English language and central to the Western canon”, I agree with her point but there is more to why Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon, besides Shakespeare being a great writer. Hamlet is included as a literary canon because even after 450 years since it was first read, studying Shakespeare is still a requirement in the Common Core English Language Arts standards, according to Strauss, due to the fact that Hamlet teaches students about the human condition and hidden commentary by Shakespeare. In Matthew Truesdale response he states, “I often tell my student that one of the main reasons to read a Shakespeare play is simply for the privilege of telling others you’ve read a Shakespeare play”, I agree with Truesdale about the fact that being able to have an intelligent discussion about Shakespeare does give one credibility.

B.
“Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him” (Hamlet-5.1.190-191).
Hamlet says this in a graveyard as he looks at the skull of Yorick, a court jester he knew as a child, and grieves for him. In this speech, Hamlet goes on to contemplate the fate of us all when he compares the skull to those still living. As a child Hamlet found Yorick amusing and entertaining. They used to play in an intimate but innocent way. Now that Yorick is a stinking corpse the memory of touching him seems revolting and makes Hamlet feel ill. He begins to recognize that none of their earthly deeds or accomplishments matters in the face of death, death is the ultimate equalizer.

cearas said

at 2:10 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Esmeralda, why is this the quote that best encapsulates what Hamlet learned in this scene?

esmeraldas said

at 8:34 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Ceara, wonderful question, thank you for asking. I think that up to this scene Hamlet was oblivious about the fact that death is something that everyone experiences or he wanted to that fact.

katherinet said

at 2:41 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Esmeralda, I agree that this quote represents when Hamlet comes to the realization that death is the ultimate equalizer. Do you believe that death is the ultimate equalizer?

esmeraldas said

at 9:50 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Kate, I do believe that death is the ultimate equalize because once you pass away you aren't any different from someone else who is dead.

sophiat said

at 9:32 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Esmeralda, I agree with you that Shakespeare is considered one of the greatest writers in the English Language and that there is more to "Hamlet" being in a literary canon than him just being one of the greatest writers. Why do you think it's still a requirement to this day? Do you think other stories can do a better job in teaching students about human conditions? I like how you incorporated Truesdale's quotes and Strauss' quotes.

esmeraldas said

at 9:54 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Sophie! I don't think that it is a requirement but instead a choice made by English teachers. I think that teachers choose to read "Hamlet" because of it teaches about human experience. I think "Hamlet" does a wonderful job at teaching students about human condition because Shakespeare does a great job at utilizing both old and new English.

asiac said

at 12:30 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hello Esmeralda! I strongly agree with your point. I believe the fact we continue to study Hamlet 450 years later proves Shakespeare's strength as a writer and storyteller. His writing speaks to the human experience even now. Do you believe Shakespeare's writing will maintain its relevance 450 years from now, specifically with such great changes in human interactions (through the internet and social media)?

esmeraldas said

at 9:59 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Asia, I do think that Shakespeare's skillful writing will be read 450 years from now mainly because of the smooth use of old and new English throughout many of his plays. I think that even with social media young children and even adults can relate to and learn from many of Shakespeares characters.

asiac said

at 6:59 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Esmeralda, I totally see your point. Especially, if we examine how Shakespeare's characters portray emotion. I would say human expression of emotion can be very universal.

sophiat said

at 12:28 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Shakespeare is known as the greatest writer in the English language but his texts are more than just words. He writes about real life emotions and problems no matter how unrealistic they may seem. Every student or anyone goes through times of jealousy or anger and Shakespeare writes texts that anyone can even relate to. As argued by Matthew Truesdale, "Ethnically diverse students don't foolishly fall in love and over-dramatize every facet of that experience?" We read Shakespeare for the sole reason to know his stories and to relate to his stories. I agree with Truesdale in the sense that no matter who you are, what ethnicity or even what culture you associate yourself with, you can relate and talk about Shakespeare which Truesdale even says that it establishes credibility. This is the reason why reading Shakespeare should be included in the literary canon, so that students can use Shakespeare references in real life and evaluate the deep meaning of his texts.

sophiat said

at 12:07 am on Dec 13, 2018

B. “Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.” is one of the most significant lines in Hamlet. This line is spoken in Act 2, Scene 2 by Polonius in front of Hamlet but not directly to Hamlet. This scene is where Polonius finally gets the chance to talk to Hamlet and see where his madness comes from, this is right before Rosencrantz and Guildenstern arrive. This line is significant to understand because other characters can see that Hamlet isn't just mad, he has a reason to be. He is crazy and angry for a purpose and his madness is the method. The whole theme of the play is revenge and getting vengeance so when Polonius recognizes that Hamlet is acting mad for a reason, the reason to get revenge for the murder of his father and the ignorant actions of his mother.

cearas said

at 2:00 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Sophia, why do you think that Shakespeare's stories are better for students to relate to than any other author? Why not an author that is more recent or an author that originates from somewhere else in the world?

sophiat said

at 9:46 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi, Ceara. That is a great question and I believe that Shakespeare's stories are better for students because they date back decades ago and I believe that it is important for students to understand that problems and feeling in society have always existed. Not only does it teach students about history but also about human connections and psychological effects. I don't think that Shakespeare is the only author that can develop this theme, I think that we use Shakespeare for the rich English language but I still think that students should also read more recent authors and diversify their knowledge of literature.

lauryns said

at 11:10 am on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Sophia,
I agree with Matthew Tuesdale as well, but I also agree with some points Dana pointed out, is there anything you agree with from Dana's argument?

sophiat said

at 8:49 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Lauryn, that’s a great question! I do believe that Dana makes a fair point that students should read more culturally diverse books to learn about different parts of the world. I do not think that she should go to the extreme and shut down Shakespeare because he is very important in our society and very popular world wide.

mollyd said

at 12:42 pm on Dec 12, 2018

a) Hamlet is included in the English literary canon because it is written by the world’s most renowned playwright and has themes that are still prevalent in today’s world. It would be unfair to say that Hamlet is solely taught based on its literary merit alone. This play is one of many in William Shakespeare’s repertoire. Shakespeare remains at the forefront of our culture almost 500 years after his plays were written due to his thoughtfulness in creating characters and a plot that tell a relatable or teachable story in the end. Hamlet is a remarkable example of Shakespeare’s creativity in creating characters and a plot that has moments of relatability that entice the reader, transcending the generations that have studied he play. It is important to remember Shakespeare has written may works and Hamlet being chosen for the literary canon is not just a “pick one and go” choice. The play was chosen for the literary canon because it has themes that are still relatable in modern-day. Most people can relate to Hamlet’s tense relationship with his mother in some form and can sympathize with the fact that Hamlet has lost his father.
b) “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” is one of the most significant lines in Hamlet. Not only does this line foreshadow everything that is about to occur in the play, it also links the theme of health of a ruler to the health of the country. This line foreshadows the tale where in the next scene, that Claudius has killed his older brother, the King, to take his throne and his life. This also introduces the theme of a nation as a body, and Denmark’s body in this case is rotting due to the corruptness of its ruler.

emmad said

at 1:04 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hi Molly! I agree that themes and emotions expressed Shakespeare's Hamlet relates to individuals across generations, but there are also other stories throughout history that have expressed these same ideals. Why do you believe Hamlet deserves to be included in the literary canon compared to other stories of equal merit?

mollyd said

at 12:49 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Emma! I think Hamlet deserves to be included in the literary canon compared to other stories of equal merit because Shakespeare writes the play in such a way that every reader can relate to a specific situation, opinion, or person, and not just the themes and emotions.

lexit said

at 10:50 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Molly! I definitely agree that this quote is extremely significant. The bloodbath at the end of the play does truly show how "something is rotten" in Denmark. All of the conspiring and tension carried throughout the play builds up to the tragic end. Do you think there are any other significant lines that foreshadow this tragic end?

mollyd said

at 1:03 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Lexi! I definitely think there are many other lines that foreshadow the bloodbath at the end of the play. Another one of the most significant lines that foreshadows this tragic end is when Gertrude tells Hamlet "all that lives must die" ( 1.2.74). This foreshadows the tragic ending because she admits everyone who lives must die at some point, in the presence of Claudius, Laertes, Hamlet, and herself, who all die at the end of the play.

megans said

at 12:50 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the literary canon, because when they were first written and still to an extent people believed that there were ideas that students understood and could relate to. This any thing from losing parents to being love sick, but while modern kids can still somewhat relate to these topics, they have moved past them into something more modern, as well as different types of learning styles. "I am sad that we don't reach beyond our own often narrow beliefs about how how young people become literate to incorporate new research on how teenagers learn, and a belief that our students be excited about what they read. and that may often mean that we need to find the time to let them choose their own literature" Dana Dusbiber talks about how while Hamlet might be a classic, it isn't meant for everyone and each kid is different, but they all have something in common, they learn better if they enjoy what they are learning and most of the time, it isn't a hard to understand, older play.

B. "One may smile and smile and be a villain" ( Hamlet 1.5.115)
this line is significant, because it puts the main idea of the story into one line. it sis saying that while a person might look and act one way, whether it be nice or happy or even crazy, that doesn't always show who they truly are. for example while Claudius acts nice and innocent, Hamlet sees that beneath the mask, he really is the man that killed Hamlet's father and married his mother. this is the same in many situations throughout the play. For example Hamlet smiles and wears the mask of being crazy, while behind closed doors he is planning to kill Claudius for revenge. this quote shows the theme of the play by expressing that anyone can wear a mask, and many people in Hamlet do.

emmad said

at 1:09 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hi Megan! I love the quote you picked and your explanation of it was eye-opening. I noticed that you wrote that Hamlet "wears the mask of being crazy," so is Hamlet completely sane throughout the story, or could he be only partially insane?

megans said

at 1:35 pm on Dec 14, 2018

I believe that most of the insanity is a mask, but as the parts of his actions are the insanity shining through, this would be things such as certain things he talks about or how he reacts to Ophelia, i think that acting crazy has started to effect him more than he intended, the mask is becoming who he is. Hamlet is being forced into boxes, whether from the ghost or from Claudius, Gertrude, and Polonius and the way they think he is crazy. These boxes are making Hamlet into something he was not at the beginning of this play

emmad said

at 10:19 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Well put, Megan! This reminds me of psychologist William James' theory where Hamlet is feeling depressed/going crazy because he acts that way, then the physiological sense of emotion comes second. It also reminds me of Cady Heron in Mean Girls when she acted like The Plastics and therefore became a Plastic (weird comparison but it connects).

megans said

at 6:24 pm on Dec 16, 2018

This connection makes sense and shows that in books, movies, or plays when a character spends time acting like something or someone they are not, they slowly become more and more like that thing or person. For example in the musical dear Evan Hansen Evan pretends that he was best friends with Connor. As the story continues Evan begins to feel more and more like the lies he has been telling are true and the life he has recieved since the lies started Is where he belongs. there are many examples of this idea, it is an archetype story that has been used throughout time.

carolynq said

at 12:57 pm on Dec 12, 2018

1) Hamlet is included in the literary canon because it explores the human condition and existential crises in an artistic way. It also includes some of the best and well-styled writing in English history. I enjoyed reading Hamlet and understand its importance, but do not think that it should continue to be included in the literary canon. I believe that students should have more freedom in what they must read and should be able to choose what genres they focus on, if the books in that genre that are used are of literary merit. I am a big fan of science fiction myself. However, as Truesdale points out, including the works of Shakespeare in the literary canon will give students the experience of reading his work and understanding references made to it. Besides this, though, there isn’t really much application of understanding of the book in real life.
2) One line from Hamlet that seems the most significant is “a little more than kin and less than kind.” This line is significant because it shows how disgruntled Hamlet is over Claudius killing his father and marrying his mother, and hints that he wants to act on this frustration. The line is also a sort of pun because it plays on the words “kin” and “kind.” The line says that Claudius is now twice related to Hamlet, as he is his uncle as well as his father (“more than kin”) but is in a less than natural relationship with Gertrude (“less than kind”). This line connects to the theme of the play by showing that Hamlet secretly hates Claudius, a hate that is focused on throughout the entire play and finally acted on in the end.

andrewg said

at 5:06 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Carolyn! I agree that the quote you selected is one of the most significant ones in the entire poem. I also agree with your explanation on how important it is because of Hamlet's secret hate toward Claudius.

carolynq said

at 12:51 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Good observation, Andrew...I'd like to add that "More than kin and less than kind" is probably one of the most important lines in the play because it shows that hate for Claudius - if the line wasn't said, people wouldn't get the memo that Hamlet doesn't think much of Claudius until later on in the play.

emilym said

at 12:57 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Carolyn! I agree that your quote is very significant and I love how you broke the quote down word for word! I definitely agree that students should have more choice in the books that we are required to read, but I also think that reading books like Hamlet is incredibly important. Not only is Hamlet still relatable almost 450 years after it was written, but students can also learn the evolution of the English language and how literature has evolved.

carolynq said

at 12:46 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Emily, I didn't say Hamlet isn't important (I actually enjoyed it), I'm just saying that there are lots of commended books and authors in a given genre that a particular student likes - for example, Ursula K. Le Guin and Isaac Asimov are famous science fiction authors and Tolkien is a famous fantasy author (when my father was in school, the Hobbit was a required read - cue the envy).

emmad said

at 1:10 pm on Dec 12, 2018

Hamlet is included in the literary canon because it has always been there. Shakespeare “is a requirement in the Common Core English Language Arts standards” according to Valerie Strauss. Everyone can relate for the need for vengeance, quick acts of passion, and the need to over-dramatize everyday life. Our boy Hamlet here represents all these qualities and therefore, represents all of us. However, there are thousands of other characters that represent humanity as well. “Why not teach the oral tradition out of Africa, which includes an equally relevant commentary on human behavior?” asks Dana Dusbiber. By only learning the human perspective from a fixed amount of characters in Shakespeare, the histories and the literature from other cultures and civilizations are kept from a diversifying world. And for what? So we could understand references to Romeo and Juliet in a Buzzfeed article?

“Not a whit. We defy augury. There is <a> special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be <now,> ’tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it <will> come. The readiness is all. Since no man of aught he leaves knows, what is ’t to leave betimes? Let be.” (V.ii.233-238)
Hamlet says this line to Horatio when Horatio is worried about Hamlet’s gut feeling not to fence. In this quote, Hamlet is stating that everything will work out as it is destined so he doesn’t need to worry about whether he will die or not. This connects to the theme of the play because throughout the story, Hamlet grows to understand the concept of death. By accepting his eventual mortality, Hamlet completes his understanding of death.

megans said

at 11:34 am on Dec 13, 2018

I agree with students being able to understand references as well as teaching other cultures. do you think that students should read books or plays that are close to them or should they focus on learning about different cultures?

emmad said

at 12:54 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Megan! I believe students should have an even blend of pieces of literature that reflects different cultures. Instead of reading from the same perspective, students should learn about the histories and stories of other cultures in order to notice how global human emotions are and to understand/respect cultures around them. By hearing opinions of authors from different cultures, students will obtain a well-rounded opinion of the world.

brennas said

at 1:45 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Emma! I love this quote, because it has some type of finality to Hamlets constant trouble with the concept of death, but do you think this was a good way for Hamlet's life to end?

emmad said

at 10:37 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Brenna! I think this realization about death was a good way to end Hamlet's life because throughout the play, Hamlet grows an understanding of the concept of death. Hamlet's realization peaks in Act V. At first, Hamlet associates death with random strangers as the grave digger is pulling out skulls from the grave. He then associates death with someone he knew when he stared into the hollow eye sockets of Yorick's skull. Next, he associates death with someone he loves when he realizes the grave is meant for Ophelia. And finally he realizes that death is inevitable and it is nothing to fear in the quote above. Once Hamlet, reaches this inner peace with mortality, he is able to die without fear, ultimately completing his understanding of death by dying himself.

sethc said

at 1:11 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. 'Hamlet' is included in the English Literary Canon because of Shakespeare's place as arguably the most recognized author of all time. However, the apparent narrow mindedness sphere in which 'Hamlet' was written has called its place in High School studies into question. Dana Dusbiber, a veteran teacher at Luther Burbank High School in Sacramento, CA., argues that studying Shakespeare limits modern day students from experiencing a much more rich and diverse world of literature that we currently are living in. If we continue to study Shakespeare, Dusbiber argues, “we promote the notion that other cultures are less important”.

B. In my opinion, one of the most significant lines in ‘Hamlet’ is when Hamlet says “The time is out of joint. O curse’d sprite that ever I was born to set it right!” (1.5.210-211). This line is a representation of Hamlet’s more purposeful side. After the death of his father, Hamlet wishes death upon himself, and is noted both in the film adaptation and book as being especially gloomy and upset. However, after seeing the apparition of his father, Hamlet became extremely inspired to avenge his father’s murder, and fix the dysfunctionality of Denmark. This line in contradiction with his earlier depressive mood are an early indicator of Hamlet going crazy. He suffers from mood swings over the course of the play.

maxo said

at 6:46 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello Seth! Great line you used from Hamlet as it really does show how much Hamlet does want revenge. My question is could this quote also pertain too more than one theme?

sethc said

at 11:57 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Max, that's a great question. I don't think there are multiple themes represented by this quote. I think Hamlet is saying that it is up to him to "save" Denmark (by killing Claudius). I don't think there are other interpretations of this quote, it's pretty straightforward.

jacobc said

at 1:35 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Seth! I really liked how you referenced the article from Dusbiber and incorporated it into your response. I thought Dusbiber's article was very interesting, but contained some errors. Overall, what was your opinion on the article from Dusbiber?

sethc said

at 12:49 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Jake, that's a good point you made about Dusbiber's article containing some errors. I do think she made too many assumptions about Shakespeare's writing not being able to be applied to any non-white students, but I did agree with her saying we should read more modern texts. Overall I thought the article was nice and written from a fresh perspective.

anyal said

at 1:53 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because not only has it been studied for hundreds of years, but students can feel a personal connection with Shakespeare’s work and can learn about “the modern human condition” like Matthew Truesdale says. According to Valerie Strauss, Hamlet should not be included in the English Literary Canon because students should be reading books from more diverse backgrounds and other cultural perspectives. She thinks it is continued to be taught only because it has “always been done this way” and that students should be able to choose to read literature that excites them.

sophiat said

at 9:40 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello Anya, I agree with that students feel a personal connection with Shakespeare's work because Shakespeare has stories about real and deep problems in society. Do you think that students will miss an important lesson if teachers didn't give Shakespeare? What's your opinion on this? I love how you connected the two comments because they contrast so much!

anyal said

at 9:54 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Sophia,
Thanks for commenting on my post! I do think that students would miss an important lesson if teachers did not teach and give Shakespeare to read. From Hamlet, students learn many life lessons, the old English language it is written in, and most importantly can make major connections to their own lives.

zacharyz said

at 11:28 am on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Anya, I agree with your belief that Hamlet should be included in the English Literary Canon because it has been an integral part of the curriculum for so long. My question relates to your second point about students feeling a personal connection to Shakespeare's work. I personally feel no connection to this text and have trouble relating to it.
“Lord Polonius: What do you read, my lord?
Hamlet: Words, words, words.
Lord Polonius: What is the matter, my lord?
Hamlet: Between who?
Lord Polonius: I mean, the matter that you read, my lord.”
When I read this quote I was very confused and could not relate to it at all, May you please analyze this quote for me and explain the personal connection you feel?

anyal said

at 10:20 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Zack,
This quote was spoken when Hamlet was supposedly "going crazy" and was talking to Polonius. I am not saying that every scene and all the language can all be relatable but many of the major themes can connect to people's lives such as losing a loved one, heartbreak, hard decision making, and overall being in a bad position that could make someone extremely upset and even go crazy.

anyal said

at 1:53 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B. To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?—To die,—to sleep..” Act III, scene i (58–90)
I believe that these lines from Hamlet are the most significant because not only are they the most famous and well known lines, but also because they connect with many of the major themes in the play. Hamlet is presenting his problem on whether or not he should kill himself, to live or not to live. He goes on comparing death to sleep and that during both of these you can end all suffering. With this idea, his words connect to the themes of suicide and death, the hardships of knowing the truth, and the connection between thought and action. Hamlet’s speech also reveals exactly what is going on in his head when he reaches his breaking point. It shows the deep emotions and utter sadness he feels, as well as showing his logic and reasoning. He contemplates whether or not suicide is the answer by taking in account religion as well as his feelings and passion in this situation.


karlosfv said

at 1:03 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Anya, while the line you chose it the well known one, there are other lines that can be significant. "A little more than kin and less than kind."(1.2.67) is a line that emphasizes Hamlet's distaste for the marriage between Claudius and Gertrude, which plays a part in his ridicule of Gertrude later in the play. Do you have any other lines that can be significant, specifically a line that is not in the back of the book and not well known?

anyal said

at 10:18 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Karlos, thanks for your comment. Another quote I think is very important in Hamlet would be "Revenge his foul and most unnatural murder" which is not very common. This was said by the Ghost to Hamlet, having him swear to avenge his murder which makes up basically the entire plot.

andrewk said

at 4:35 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Anya, I completely agree that this quote connects to the theme. The quote does an excellent job of connecting to the themes of death and failure to act, as it shows Hamlet contemplating whether to kill himself. Again, we can see he fails to act on his words just like he continuously failed to take revenge against Claudius.

anyal said

at 10:15 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Thanks for your comment Andrew. Although this happens to be the most well known and common quote, I still think it is the most important.

kellyr said

at 5:40 pm on Dec 12, 2018

1/2
Hamlet is included in literary canon because it's a timeless narrative about tragedy, mental illness, and indecision. Students can see themselves in the characters, and relate to the experiences and motivations in others. Regardless of skin tone or ethnic origin, readers can empathize with Hamlet's frustration at not being "man enough", consider themselves as loyal as Horatio, or be as permanently devastated as Ophelia. Not only does Hamlet offer insight into the psychological motivations of a confused man and diverse side characters, it also verses readers in comprehending old language and appreciating blank verse and prose.

kellyr said

at 10:45 pm on Dec 12, 2018

2/2
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
Marcellus said this passively and did not intend to foreshadow. However, the situation in Denmark seems to get more progressively more "rotten". The phrase speaks to the corruption taking place in the castle and around Hamlet. As the the death count rises, Hamlet's understanding of death expands and the "rotting" continues. This remark on the state of Denmark is connected to the plot because it sets the events that follow, i.e Ophelia's suicide, Polonius's murder, the duel, etc.

carolynq said

at 1:09 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Kelly, you make a good point that this line foreshadows what will happen in the remainder of the play, but why do you think Shakespeare gave this line to an insignificant minor character?

carolynq said

at 1:09 pm on Dec 13, 2018

whoops, i meant that you make a good point that it was not intended to foreshadow

kellyr said

at 10:34 am on Dec 17, 2018

I think that Shakespeare intended for it to be said not by a minor character, but in the beginning of the play, and Marcellus happened to be one of the opening characters.

carolynq said

at 12:53 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Kelly, now that you mention it, maybe Marcellus isn't a minor character because Shakespeare gave him one of the most significant lines in the play. I guess being an opening character as well is a bonus.

damilj said

at 9:17 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi, Kelly. This is a really interesting line, in fact it's one of my favorites but couldn't you say that the line "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"" could have a double meaning other than the death count? Maybe like everyone's state of mind with all the "madness" going around?

kellyr said

at 10:37 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Damil! Yeah I definitely think there is two or more meanings to that line. The state of Denmark is in disarray in several ways, including the mental situations of several characters.

katelyni said

at 9:12 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Kelly! I used the same quote but explained it as foreshadowing the tragedy that was to follow in the play. I think your perspective is very interesting though and it made me look at it in a different way as i previously had!

kellyr said

at 10:38 am on Dec 17, 2018

Thanks Katelyn! It definitely could be used as a foreshadowing device.

karlosfv said

at 5:46 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon due to the insights of the characters on broad subjects like death and gender roles. The play’s significance is in part due to the intention that Shakespeare never wanted anyone to read the play but watch, causing inconsistencies that let many observers speculate the significance of those lines and the way they were supposed to be presented. “To be or not to be” is a known line that confuses many due to the wording being left upon those who played the role along with its second appearance in the play causing the skull to be out of place. However, the main significance of Hamlet still is how the characters represent the broad subjects in the play. Hamlet causes controversy on who the ghost is since he believed that ghosts were demons disguised as deceased loved ones, contrasting with the other belief that the ghost could truly be his father stuck in purgatory creating a conflict that adds mystery and dread to the play. The treatment of Ophelia exemplifies the feminine traits of the time and the ideals of how woman acted, adding to the reaction Hamlet displaces upon her as his view of women changed with the marriage between his uncle and mother. The incorporation of subjects in the play by Shakespeare exemplify the honor Hamlet has in English literary canon.

karlosfv said

at 5:46 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B. Many lines have proven significant in Hamlet as the well know “To be or not to be…” stated by Hamlet twice emphasized his attempt to understand death. While one of the scenes was mainly for comedy, both still add to his views that evolved throughout influencing actions including why he spared Claudius as he prayed due to how he decided he might go to heaven if he died there. Beside the famous lines however, there are other lines that are more significant to not only the plot, but to the subjects the play entangled throughout. For instance, in Act 3, Hamlet starts to express his unpleasant view on his mother’s, Gertrude, marriage with his uncle, Claudius, by stating to the remark of Gertrude’s view of the woman actor by saying “O, but she’ll keep her word.” (3.2.255), which indirectly addresses how despite her protests she would do nothing in the end. This may not be true, but it does express Hamlet’s disdain for woman due to his feelings of his mother’s actions and how he viewed her responses. Later, he quipped “So you mistake your husbands” (3.2.276) to further his distaste for Gertrude’s actions. Lines similar to this help build the views and changing ideals of each character in the play that change their reactions and cause actions they usually would not resort to until now.

MsBoyd said

at 8:32 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hi, Karlos! What an interesting choice for significant line. The scene before the Mousetrap is such an important one -- Hamlet is so capable of charming the crowd of Elsinore, making fun of Polonius in a subtle way. Yet, he turns on a dime and is cruel and harsh towards both Gertrude and Ophelia. The more I read it, the more i wonder -- Is Hamlet "acting" unpredictable and manic in this scene, or is his anger causing him to become unhinged? What do you think?

karlosfv said

at 8:53 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Based on how Hamlet acted, I would say neither due to the way he addresses those he interacted with after what he says. To Polonius, he just toys with him, since insults like "words, words words." (2.2.210) sound more like a distaste for the way Polonius tries to act when talking. Hamlet's reaction is also similar to Gertrude's when he talked to her before, due to the matter being important while Polonius dragged out it's importance without stating it. To Ophelia, he acted in denial to his love stating "No, not I. I never gave you aught."(3.1.105) with his tone disagreeing with the mood since he sounds casual with little concern while in general there is a tension present between the two. This tension is most likely due to the distraught they caused each other, with one lacking the understanding to the reason and the other forced into the action without the voice against it. However, both these reactions don't seem to be acting since Hamlet acts nonchalantly until he expresses another emotion similar to how he talks with Horatio, but only when he expresses another emotion that fits his current mood. With Polonius, he was joking like a potential future son-in-law, and with Ophelia he acted like a ex who just wanted to stay away in the end. This is also why his anger seems unhinged, since he never seemed truly angry with either of them showing annoyance due to the way he deeply due to how he knew them. The only true anger he showed was to Gertrude, which he explained himself to her indirectly since it was due to her marriage with Claudius, and Claudius due to the ghost telling him what happened. Overall, I can only say Hamlet acted out to the events in his way, the way he himself would only act including the feminine traits that he didn't throw away until necessary. He reacted based on his ideals, which proved to stab him later when he didn't kill Claudius while he prayed. He kept his flaws, but he did it to his best interest.

oliviap said

at 6:08 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon for many reasons, but mainly, because of Shakespeare's use of the text to comment on human behavior and societal stereotypes. Within Hamlet, concepts of gender roles, mental instability, love, and loss are explored; topics that have relevance and can be interpreted to find new meaning today. It is also a text that utilizes an early version of the English language, which gives historians and scholars an opportunity to peer into the mindset of those living 450 years ago. Despite the various attributes that make Hamlet a classic piece of literature, it can be argued that the play’s inclusion in the canon is solely based upon traditional views of literary merit. However, the complex themes and thought provoking plot development found within the play make it a highly esteemed piece of literature to this day.

mollyd said

at 12:45 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Olivia, I definitely agree that Hamlet was used by Shakespeare to comment on human behavior and societal stereotypes. Throughout the text readers can relate to a character or a situation, even now, 450 years later. This is obviously a reason that Hamlet is included in the English literary canon because the themes are relevant today. Do you think Shakespeare intended the play to transcend generations and cultures or do you think that Shakespeare instead simply wrote the play only for one culture/generation to relate to?

oliviap said

at 11:13 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Molly! Thanks for your feedback! I completely agree that the fact that Hamlet is still relatable in modern society is one of the primary reasons for its inclusion in the literary canon. In my opinion, Shakespeare intended for the play to transcend generations because he utilized universal themes that will always be relevant (love, loss, mental illness etc.).

maxo said

at 6:36 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet would be included in the English Literary Canon as it indeed paved the way for future novels/plays and was truly and innovational piece for the time. Shakespeare was a revolutionary. His plays and novels were so advanced for the time that people had to adapt to read them. In Shakespeare’s time, Early Modern English was just becoming popular. Before Shakespeare, most writers wrote in Old or Middle English. Shakespeare was one of the first to use Early Modern English, which made Hamlet special and unique, bringing it into the English literary canon.


“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” [Marcellus – 1.4.100]
B. While short, his line foreshadows the rest of the story and the events to follow. Hamlet finding out through the Ghost that his father was killed by Claudius, the eventual killing of Polonius, Hamlet finding out Claudius’s guilt through the play, Hamlet being plotted against twice, and the bloodshed in the end of the book are all events that this line foreshadows. The reader can tell from this point on that things are about to take a turn and get bad. The line also has more meaning, connecting to the theme of death. The line can also refer to the death of King Hamlet as Marcellus senses that somethings may have happened in the past.

sethc said

at 12:52 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Max, that was a great point you made about Shakespeare's impact on the use of Early Modern English backing up Hamlet's place in the literary canon. However, do you believe the teaching of Shakespeare in schools limits the amount of more modern and cultural writings being taught in schools?

maxo said

at 3:00 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hello Seth! I believe that in order to study modern and cultural writings, you need to be able to understand the history of English and were its origins came from. With Shakespeare being one of the first to write in Early Modern English, it paved the way for the modern writings today.

andrewk said

at 4:39 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Max, I completely agree that Shakespeare's work was innovative for it's time. Not only did Shakespeare craft brilliant tragedies such as Hamlet, he also weaved various themes into his works which allows for a deep analysis.

maxo said

at 2:57 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Thank you Drew! I do believe that Shakespeare integrated various themes into his works like death and karma which allow for a deeper analysis.

leylaa said

at 6:51 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included in the literary canon because Shakespeare’s writing significantly impacted a lot of English literature and should be recognized as such. Hamlet tells a story about a man who has lived his whole life not questioning anything or anyone until he lost his father, and his life changed. Hamlet realized that life wasn’t as it seemed, and he went through many ups and downs trying to find out the truth about his life. Studying Hamlet is essential for students to be able to understand not just literature but real-life experiences. Shakespeare’s writing has inspired the world in many ways and it is see throughout films and novels. So being familiar with his writing will help you better understand things that are referencing it. Although Hamlet was written centuries ago and it is not as relatable as it may have been at one time, it still speaks about many topics that are relevant in society today. But even if it can’t be related to in any way it is still important for students to step out of what they are used to and read something more challenging. Hamlet has a lot of great moral lessons and teaches us about the modern human condition which is why it should continue to be read in the classroom.

shireet said

at 5:58 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Leyla! I completed agree with your point about how Hamlet has many moral lessons that continue to teach students and readers in life even 400 years later! Do you agree however that there are other works we could be reading that could teach us the same moral lessons?

leylaa said

at 11:26 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Shiree, thanks for your question. Although Hamlet is a classic, I do think by now there are so many other books and plays that teach the exact lessons that are taught in Hamlet. I think many works share the same common themes that are present in Hamlet and through them people are able to connect different stories.

shireet said

at 12:54 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Leyla I'm so glad you feel this way because I agree also!

davidc said

at 11:28 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Without a doubt Hamlet should be in the literary canon due to its complex character development alone but do you think that Shakespeare is studied too much in our school system?

leylaa said

at 8:16 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi David, Shakespeare has written over 37 different literary works and they are studied by hundreds of schools. But I don’t think that we necessary study him too much because his work are so varied that we can learn something new from each literary work. Students should be familiar with his writing and especially his most famous works that we study in school.

davidc said

at 10:58 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I couldn't agree more

leylaa said

at 6:52 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B) “The serpent that did sting thy father’s life now wears his crown.” (Ghost-1.5.46-47).
This quote is said by the ghost when he is talking to Hamlet about his father’s death. He is telling him that he was murdered by the same person who is now the king and he is referring to Claudius. This line is significant because Hamlet was already very upset about king Hamlets death and his mother’s marriage to Claudius so finding out that his father’s death was a murder done by his uncle felt like betrayal. After Hamlet found this out a seed stared to plant in his mind about revenging his father’s death. Although he was still hesitant to act before he knew the whole truth, he was on a mission to know what happened and get revenge. This line connects to the theme of the play because Hamlets whole mission to avenge his father’s death started when the ghost told Hamlet that Claudius is responsible. A major theme in the play was Hamlets obsession with death and it seemed to all start when he found out his father was murdered.

brookec said

at 6:34 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Leyla, I completely agree that this quote is significant in understanding Hamlet's motives and hatred for his uncle. Do you think that Hamlet still would've had the urge to kill Claudius even if he never found his father was murdered, just because of everything else Claudius had done?

leylaa said

at 12:55 am on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Brooke, Good question. I honestly don’t think that Hamlet would’ve wanted to kill Claudius if he never found out he was responsible for King Hamlet’s murder. Hamlet is a very complex character, but he isn’t a murder. He was very torn between acting against Claudius in the first place which shows he has a moral compass. His father’s murder was an extreme circumstance and the events in his life made him feel like murder was necessary to avenge his father’s death.

sydneyg said

at 7:12 pm on Dec 12, 2018

Hamlet is included in the literary canon due to its accurate depiction of real world experiences, and teaches us about the early English language. Hamlet is one of the many plays written by shakespeare which is all written in the old english language. so we as the reader get to see how our ancestors spoke and written which is important in understanding how much the English language has evolved since then. Hamlet is accurate in depicting real world experiences because just like Hamlet, we as humans go through tough decision making. We struggle with right and wrong, and are often conflicted when it comes to hard decision making. We see this in "Hamlet", when Hamlet's "To be or not to be" speech where he came faced with the hard decision of whether or not he wanted to be alive. He also made a hard decision to carry out his plan the Ghost of King Hamlets requested in killing Claudius, since Claudius is the reason kKing Hamlet is dead. These are some of the reason "Hamlet" has a place of honor in literary studies.
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leylaa said

at 3:49 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Sydney, I agree with your statement saying that Hamlet depicts real world experiences and how we all make decisions. Although it is a play and overdramatized, it includes many important lessons that can be useful to learn and applied to today's society.

sydneyg said

at 12:25 pm on Dec 16, 2018

hi leyla, this play is very over dramatized, however it does teach us the effects of one person's actions on others. Claudius one action of killing King Hamlet, caused a variety of chain reactions. Hamlet went on his quest to kill Claudius, which caused him to mistakenly kill Polonius. Hamlet killing Polonius caused Laertes to seek revenge on Hamlet with the help of Claudius to kill Hamlet with a poisonous sword, or a poisonous drink. which, unfortunately Gertrude drank, which killed her. This teaches us that we should be mindful of our actions, because our actions can have a negative impact on people.

kamillaa said

at 1:34 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Sydney! I can see how Hamlet is considered a literary canon because of his representation of the real world and human behavior, such as tough decision making. In this case, do you think Hamlet made the right or wrong decisions? How does that impact the play's place among literary canons?

sydneyg said

at 12:26 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi kamilla, personally i think Hamlet made the wrong decision. I

sydneyg said

at 12:35 pm on Dec 16, 2018

do not think anybody should take another persons life willingly. also i do not believe in acting on revenge on others. I believe in forgiving others and trying to move on with his life as best he can. Even though that will be tough, since his father was killed, i just don't believe revenge is the answer, because revenge does not solve your problems. I think it impacts the play place among literary canon because it would've taught us a more valuable lesson of when faced with a hard decision, to pick the better one and not the revenge seeking one.

shireet said

at 6:00 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Sydney! its awesome that you're including your own opinions and thoughts about the actions of some of the characters. Have you thought that those opinions formed and connections are what make hamlet such a great read?

kamillaa said

at 11:26 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Sydney! I agree with you that there were better ways for Hamlet to handle the situation that would not have ended in so much bloodshed, but on the contrary I think that raises its place among literary canons because of the realistic portrayals of human flaws. Literary canons are meant to relate to the real world, and Hamlet represents the hateful and envious parts of human behavior, and although it does not teach the audience as much of a moral lesson, it does not negatively impact its place among literary canons.

damilj said

at 7:14 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A.)Hamlet should be included in the literary canon because along with Shakespeare’s other works it has relatable themes and problems to some extent. It has a well deserving place in the literary cannon even though other’s may disagree for valid reasons, reasons that also have a clear solution. The main issue with Hamlet and works alike by William Shakespeare is the author and his cultural views and human experiences being out dated. Though a certain population might not be able to necessarily relate to everything for obvious reason of time period and or ethnic background, Matthew Truesdale proposes the questions “So what Shakespeare wrote 450 years ago year is not applicable to her [referring to Dusbiber’s stance against Hamlet and his involvement in the literary cannon]teaching today?” and then Truesdale presents very obvious rhetorical questions that continue to secure Hamlet’s spot and the relatable. The lessons that accompany Hamlet and its relatable themes can be tailored and adapted to fit a different audience that don’t necessarily feel included within the stories or the physical perception of the characters within the stories but the themes can still be interpreted and adjusted to fit a broader spectrum of persons.

sydneyg said

at 7:18 pm on Dec 12, 2018

b. "the serpent that did sting thy father's life now wears his crown"(1.1.46-47), is the most significant line because it came from the Ghost of king Hamlet, who told Hamlet the truth about his death, and ordered Hamlet to avenge his death by killing Claudius, who is the "serpent". One of the play's major plot lines followed Hamlet as he carried out his quest for revenge against Claudius, so this line is important because it contributed to the whole plot of the play. This line is also important because it contributes to the recurring theme of revenge in "Hamlet". Throughout "Hamlet" we see many characters acting on revenge. Hamlet is taking revenge on claudius by planning his death, Laertes is planning his revenge on Hamlet for killing his father by killing hamlet with a poisonous sword, among many other characters who were vengeful.

hibbaa said

at 9:26 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Sydney, that line does seem vital to the plot, but do you believe the story could not have played out the same, if not for this line?

morganl said

at 7:28 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included in the literary canon because it represents how the themes and emotions present in the play are relevant and applicable to human experiences today. Hamlet’s story, his anger, passion, and grief, among other feelings, are relatable to most students, regardless of background. As Matthew Truesdale argues, students of all ethnicities, religions, races, etc. all share commonalities in their experiences, whether it be falling in love, jealousy, anger, or discrimination. Having felt these emotions as humans ourselves, it is interesting to read a story that portrays those same feelings in different ways. Shakespeare’s use of universal experiences make the story relevant and worth reading. His use of themes like revenge, mortality, grief, and romance help convey the commonalities that all humans tend to feel. The ability of Hamlet to still be applicable to human emotion and students’ lives 450 years after it was written is remarkable, thus serving as a reason to keep studying it.
B) “With forms to his conceit – and all for nothing! / For Hecuba! / What’s Hecuba to him, or he to Hecuba,” (2.2.584-586)
These lines were said by Hamlet after watching a short performance by one of the traveling actors. Hamlet was incredulous that the actor could portray immense passion and emotion for a mere character, while he himself had all the reason to feel true passion and anger and yet couldn’t seem to muster it. These lines are significant because they show Hamlet’s inner battle about whether or not he should take action against Claudius. This connects to the recurring theme of action versus inaction as Hamlet struggles with the choices in front of him. During this scene, he eventually comes up with his plan to fool Claudius by staging his murder of the late King Hamlet within the play being performed. Thus, he chose a course of action and went through with it throughout the remainder of the play.

carolynq said

at 12:54 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Morgan, I love your choice of quote. What do you think is keeping Hamlet from carrying out his plan if he felt such intense emotions?

morganl said

at 4:23 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Carolyn, great question. I think he was overwhelmed by the intensity and variety of emotions he was experiencing. He was feeling grief, anger, sadness, and confusion all at once. I think he was hindered by the complexity of dealing with these very strong feelings, and he wanted to be sure that his reactions were valid before taking any action.

carolynq said

at 12:59 pm on Dec 17, 2018

That's a great way of explaining it, and I definitely agree. It wouldn't be a wise decision for Hamlet to act on all these emotions if they weren't valid.

morganl said

at 7:40 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Agreed. Given his calculated nature, I think he felt like he couldn't do anything until he got his own mind figured out. Thanks for your feedback!

katherinet said

at 2:39 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Morgan, I love that you chose this quote and completely agree that this is an important quote that represents the inner struggle Hamlet has due to his indecision. Do you think that one of the reasons for Hamlet's indecision in immediately seeking revenge against Claudius is because he doesn't want to lose another important member of his family?

morganl said

at 4:27 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hi Kate, thanks for your question. I think you pose an interesting point. It is possible that Hamlet initially neglected to act because Claudius is part of his family, but I think the driving force behind his indecision was his inability to compartmentalize his emotions enough to take action.

hibbaa said

at 9:21 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Morgan, I feel like you deviated from the question (part A), as it was should Shakespeare, specifically Hamlet, be included in literary canon, which doesn't necessarily mean it should be taught in school. Literary canon just means a piece of work is significant, which I agree it is. The argument about whether it is relatable to students is a separate argument. I feel as though Hamlet does have themes that have commonalities, all humans tend to feel as well, but I don't think it should be required to be taught in schools.

morganl said

at 10:49 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hello Hibba, thank you for your comment. In answering the question of whether or not Shakespeare, specifically Hamlet, should be included in the literary canon, I believe it should be because it is significant. As I articulated above, I think it is significant because of the themes it includes and its relevance and applicability to humans today. I think that it is beneficial to continue studying Hamlet because of this importance to our own emotions and experiences. To be clear, I think Hamlet should both be included in the literary canon and be taught in school.

hibbaa said

at 10:14 pm on Dec 17, 2018

hello morgan! Thank you for clarifying

ishanis said

at 7:37 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the literary canon because of the way Shakespeare was able to manipulate language in the text and because of how his writing reflected the social beliefs of the time, which we can use to determine how beliefs have changed. In moments where Shakespeare wanted to emphasize wordplay, he began to write in prose which enabled him to make the reader focus more on the words being spoken than the form they were in. For example, when Hamlet was having a conversation with Polonius in act II scene ii, Shakespeare wrote in prose to emphasize the puns and double entendres that Hamlet used to make fun of Polonius. Additionally, as Matthew Truesdale states, “To dismiss Shakespeare on the grounds that life 450 years ago has no relation to life today is to dismiss…everything that wasn’t written in whatever time defined as NOW.” Shakespeare’s work provides valuable insight on major beliefs held at the time of his writing, especially on ideas about women’s roles in society. It is important to continue to study Hamlet, not only for Shakespeare’s linguistic abilities, but also to learn about beliefs of the past.

B. “Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs?” (Hamlet-5.1.196-197)
I think this quote in incredibly significant because of how it shows Hamlet’s developing understanding of death as the ultimate equalizer. In this scene, Hamlet is speaking about Yorick, a man he once knew, and he realizes that many of the bones being dug up are just bones. He can’t tell them apart from each other and he does not know who the bones once belonged to. This contributes to the theme that death is the ultimate equalizer because Hamlet sees that no one remembers anyone in death for very long and that once you die, your achievements and goals from life cease to matter as the memory people have of you begins to fade away.

mollyd said

at 12:53 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Ishani, that is a fantastic point you made regarding Shakespeare writing in prose to emphasize wordplay. I think that Shakespeare's expert control of his writing is definitely a reason that Hamlet, as well as many other works of Shakespeare's, are included in the literary canon. Shakespeare mastered the art of crafting his plays to entertain the audience and provoke a reaction. Do you think Shakespeare's expertise in handling the language of his novels changed the way writers of plays, novels, and other works of literary merit approached their pieces?

ishanis said

at 10:38 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Molly! I definitely do think that Shakespeare's ability to manipulate language changed the way writers approached their work. The way he was able to effortlessly include so many different concepts into his play inspired me so I think that it would inspire the authors of works of literary merit even more so. I believe that part of the reason Shakespeare has survived until today is because of how influential his work is to other writers and his approach to writing has changed the course that literature has followed.

morganl said

at 4:31 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Ishani! I love the way you interpreted this quote. Do you think that if Hamlet had never gotten a visit from his father's ghost that he would eventually forget about his dad's death and move on with his life? In other words, had the ghost never been a part in the play, do you think Hamlet would had ever decided to take action against Claudius?

ishanis said

at 10:49 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Morgan! I think that Hamlet wouldn't have ever forgotten his father's death, but he might have stopped mourning after a while. As we saw in Act 1 Scene 2, Hamlet was still wearing black clothes, months after the death of his father, and his mother's marriage only caused him to grieve more. However, if he never met his father's ghost, he might have stopped mourning a little earlier and moved on. Hamlet could have taken action against Claudius if his father's ghost was never a part of the play because, although Hamlet never would have learned that his uncle Claudius murdered his father, he was still uncomfortable with the relationship between his uncle and his mother. Hamlet would have continued to live his life miserably, contemplating whether or not he should take any action, until his emotions got so pent up that he took them out on Claudius. Therefore, I believe it was a possibility that Hamlet would have taken action against Claudius even if his father's ghost was never in the play, but it would have been for a slightly different reason.

cearas said

at 7:55 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because it was written by William Shakespeare. Many believe that Shakespeare’s works offer insight into the human condition. While Shakespeare may have had many beliefs about the human condition, he was one man, in one place, many years ago. It is illogical to assume that he had any more insight on the human condition than any other one person. Instead, if we are meant to learn about the human condition, the English Literary Canon should contain a selection of books from a wide variety of authors with varying backgrounds and draw conclusions based on similarities.
B) “Imperious Caesar, dead and turned to clay.” [5.1.220] This is one of the most significant lines in the Hamlet. This quote shows that death effects all people in the same way, regardless of what happened during their lives. This idea that all people are equal in death is a major theme in Hamlet as Hamlet spends the majority of Act 5 Scene 1 talking to the gravedigger and learning this and this is where the play’s most memorable monologue: “To Be or Not to Be”.

brookec said

at 7:13 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Ceara! You made really good point that there are so many other writers out there that could teach students about the human condition besides Shakespeare. I believe Shakespeare is included in the literary canon just because he is extremely well known and his works are applicable to society today and provide multiple perspectives of the human condition, but there are also so many lesser known writers that could provide new insight that is just as valuable. What aspect of the human condition do you think is most addressed in Hamlet that gives it a place in the literary canon?

cearas said

at 5:13 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hello Brooke, I believe that the most important aspect of the human condition addressed in "Hamlet" is how people cope with death. Less with how people cope with others dying, but learning that one day everybody will die, and when that day comes, a persons actions while alive will not mean anything. That once a person is dead, they are just like any other dead person, just another skeleton in a grave, like poor Yorick.

jeniferf said

at 8:13 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Cannon because of its complex plot, use of figurative language, and aspects of character development. More obviously, it is included in the Literary Cannon because it is written by Shakespeare which, as Valerie Strauss correctly indicates in her article, “is a requirement in the Common Core English Language Arts standards”. Although this general statement may be true, the reason behind Shakespeare being a requirement is the same reason that it belongs in the Literary Cannon. It is not because, as Dana Dusbiber stated, “it has always been done”, it is because Shakespeare’s plays, specifically Hamlet, are written in a manner that should be appreciated by anyone studying the English language and literature forever. In both reading Hamlet itself as well as expert criticisms of Hamlet, one can learn the various aspects which exist in literature. In closely looking at Gertrude and Ophelia, one can take a gender criticism approach. One can even look at the specific words of Hamlet and criticize it formalistically. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Cannon because it is so versatile in both what if incorporates and what one can learn in reading it.
B. “Thus the native hue of resolution/ Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought.” (3.1.92/93). This quote comes from Hamlet’s famous “To Be or Not to be” soliloquy. This specific segment of it references the decision-making process and how we are always second guessing ourselves. This quote comes from Hamlet both describing himself and the people around him. Hamlet constantly second-guesses himself and doesn’t know whether he should act against Claudius or not.

jacquelynf said

at 9:44 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Jenifer! I think this quote is interesting because it typically doesn’t get as much attention as the “To be or mot to be” part of the soliloquy. Do you think that this was the most important moment of self-doubt for Hamlet or was there another moment when Hamlet was second guessing himself that was more important?

jeniferf said

at 11:31 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Jackie!!! Great question. I do believe that this was the most important moment of self-doubt for Hamlet and can be best contrasted with his most important moment of self-assurance which I believe was when he witnessed Claudius’s reaction to the play. I believe this is his most important moment of self-doubt because it is the only moment in which he directly verbalizes his suicidal thoughts. This particular portion of the famous “To be or not to be” soliloquy specifically focuses on that inability to take action, which is a direct and prominent example of him second-guessing himself.

lexit said

at 10:44 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Jen :) I agree with your explanation of the meaning of this quote, as Hamlet could not bring himself to make a decision to kill Claudius or to do anything for the majority of the play. Do you think there were any other characters that also had this flaw?

jeniferf said

at 11:38 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Lexi! I do not think any character in the play quite mimics Hamlet’s insecurity- but now that I’m thinking about your interesting question, I think one could argue that Ophelia and Gertrude both have moments of insecurity and self-doubt. Gertrude is unsure as to whether she should stay with Claudius when it obviously irritates her son and Ophelia is unsure as to whether she should stay with Hamlet even though it goes directly against her father’s wishes. The outcome of these decisions by the characters is also interesting. While the insecure women, Ophelia and Gertrude, choose the safest options to avoid trouble; Ophelia listens to her dad and Gertrude stays with Claudius, Hamlet, the man, takes the riskier path and chooses to avenge his father’s death by getting revenge on Claudius, even though he knows there will be consequences. To be fair, Hamlet does contemplate his decision the longest, but in my view, even if the ladies of the play thought about it for as long as he did, their decisions would have been the same.

alexandera said

at 7:13 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Jennifer, i slightly disagree with your analysis of the quote, I feel like the quote more demonstrates Hamlets inability to act rather then make a decision, he has a decision made but simply can't execute it.

jeniferf said

at 11:44 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Alex!!! I actually do not believe Hamlet makes a decision as to whether he wants to act until after he sees Claudius’s reaction to the play, a part I would also argue is the climax of the play as a whole. Before this part, he does not fully believe that Claudius murdered his father. Until he gets that proof, he hasn’t made up his mind, and since this quote comes from before that decision is made, I would analyze it still as Hamlet’s inability to make a decision. I do, however, argue that it could also incorporate Hamlet’s inability to act, because frankly he can’t do that either.

P. S. it’s *Jenifer (but you already knew that)

daniellai said

at 8:27 pm on Dec 12, 2018

1. In my opinion, Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon, as a result of Shakespeare’s lack of fear—he was bold. His plays were honest, included a comical effect, and most of all, Shakespeare didn’t have a specific audience; his work targeted every individual during this time period and in years to follow because his work was so engaging.
Shakespeare’s Hamlet begins by expressing disorganization amongst the guards. As we move forward into the text, the main character, Hamlet, is introduced to a ghost that he believes is his father. His father is asking him to seek revenge for his uncle because he murdered King Hamlet, took his crown, and his queen. Throughout the play, Hamlet looks for ways to avenge his uncle all while taking on the role of acting as if he was insane. Every character, from his lover (Ophelia) to the current king Claudius, Gertrude (his mother), and other characters such as Polonius and Laertes—who interfere and have a prominent role in the play for the reason that they have a higher social ranking than most and are both respected by the king and queen—show an abundance of motives and characteristics that many can relate to, even if they weren’t as severe as the characters.
For instance, when Polonius was killed by Hamlet, Ophelia’s love, this took a toll on her psychologically and inescapably lead to her death. Also, when Claudius realized Hamlets true motives, he irrationally decided to send Hamlet to England, however he escaped to win seek the revenge his father had prompted him to.
Overall, Hamlet is play that places emphasis on a botched family and every surrounding character possessed characteristics that seemed questionable, however, many could relate to.

kamillaa said

at 1:42 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Daniella! You made some great points, I understand how other surrounding/minor characters in the play were included as a way for the audience to have characters to relate to, although they were not major characters. Would you also say that they play the role of pushing the plot forward?

daniellai said

at 4:34 pm on Dec 16, 2018

What an interesting question!

I do believe that surrounding characters play a major role of pushing the plot forward because they actions and their lines can make a difference in the way in which we see the play. For instance, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are not major characters, but they release a side to Hamlet that we don't normally see. He tends to act more petty towards them and looks down upon them because he feels as if they are both careless and uneducated. If they weren't a part of the play, then who would have taken Hamlets place in England to die. On top of that, I feel that the fact that they were included is yet another reason as to why this play has maintained its place in the literary canon. I'm sure there are hundreds of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern's in the world today!

kamillaa said

at 11:32 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Daniella, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are a perfect example as to how minor characters can push the plot forward. I believe that every action can cause a chain of reactions, so even the minor characters can impact the play in a major way. Another example would be Horatio. Although he had a few scenes within the play, he came to be a way for the plot to come to a conclusion because Hamlet's last few words as he lay dying were for Horatio to tell his story.

daniellai said

at 8:27 pm on Dec 12, 2018

2. In Act I, Scene III, Polonius says to Laertes: “This above all: to thine own self be true." To provide some context, Polonius said this to prepare his son prior to his journey to France.
In general, this quote could relate to the entire play as whole due to its significance for each prominent character. For Hamlet, this could be in relation to his behavior throughout. From the start of the play, his morals and values are noteworthy. He feels that his mother’s betrayal to his father was disrespectful and upon learning the way in which his father was murdered, his feelings never changed. Although he took on the role of acting insane, his feelings towards the subject matter only grew stronger in favor of seeking revenge because he felt as if Claudius and Gertrude were wrong. This is true to Ophelia, because, no matter the circumstances, she never stopped loving Hamlet—she just followed orders to make others in the play happy by staying away from him. For Claudius, his position never changes as well, he knew that what he did was wrong, but he did it anyways. On top of that, he even attempted to pray but, knew that it wouldn’t work because he didn’t want to give up his new crown. This is true to Gertrude because, no matter what, she knew her son. She knew he was having a hard time adjusting to his father’s death and her new marriage. This is true for Polonius because he never stopped talking, always stating his position on the situation involving Hamlet, ultimately resulting in his death. Lastly, this is true to Laertes because his feelings towards Hamlet had never changed from the start of the play, up until the end. He disapproved of his relationship towards Ophelia and up until the end, he found more reasons to dislike him, resulting in his death.

MsBoyd said

at 8:36 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hi, Daniella. This line is such a good one, and one that many readers of Hamlet connect to their own lives. I like what you've done here in connecting it to Hamlet's other main characters. There is wisdom in this line, even though it comes from (arguably) one of the least wise characters in the play. What do you make of that?

daniellai said

at 4:53 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Ms. Boyd. One thing that I have realized from this play is that the characters who say the most, have the wisest words. Although Polonius acted as somewhat of a major character he was known for constantly talking and his words tend to just act as if the audience is listening to a broken record--he reiterates a small idea numerous times in his lines. However, if his lines are read closely, like, for instance, Hamlet during his soliloquy, then small things that are being said, can really have a significant meaning. To answer the first part of your question however, I do disagree with your statement regarding Polonius to be the least wise. I feel as if he is, arguably, extremely wise. He knows how to manipulate the other characters, like getting in the kings good graces, and he knows how to plan events meticulously to get the evidence that he is looking for. For instance, he helped to prove Hamlets insanity by reading his love letter to Ophelia and spying on his conversation with her. To me, his death was just a "wrong place , wrong time" case scenario.

katherinet said

at 8:48 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet, a member of the literary canon hall of fame, takes fire when Dana Dusbiber belittles the importance of reading the great works of Shakespeare, simply because she feels is does not “mirror” her students ethnic backgrounds as stated by Truesdale. Dusbiber’s argument that Shakespeare’s works are in simpler terms overrated to study and the hallmark of English courses due to white men who made them that is flawd. Her entire argument misses the mark, she doesn’t grasp the importance of Shakespeare, the “window” into different cultures and behaviors that should be observed and studied by students, regardless of socio-economic background and different ethnicity. Dusbiber’s argument “that a long-dead, British guy is the only writer who can teach students about the human condition” is narrow-minded. She ignores basic human nature, that over all hasn’t changed in the “450 years” since the time of Shakespeare. People still exhibit the same behaviors. Race isn’t the benchmark reason for studying Hamlet. It’s the behavior and passions the characters represent, that students can relate to today. There is rich diversity in Hamlet as it relates to societal and gender expectations. Hamlet is a literary canon because it exhibits the struggle of making hard, life-changing decisions which everyone can relate to. It represents the pain felt by the loss of someone you love. It represents the fickleness of love and obligation to family that is still seen today. It represents the betrayal of someone you trust. Hamlet is the very definition of literary canon, and the lessons on human behavior we can learn from this play is endless in my opinion and a value in the classroom.

damilj said

at 9:43 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello, Katherine, I agree with your reasoning of studying Hamlet in the Literary canon. The play of Hamlet brings a lot of passion and a certain behavior type to the literary table that can be interesting for people of different backgrounds to study and though Dusbiber's words were harsh I wouldn't cancel out her concern of "relatability for her students completely. What culture is Hamlet really teaching us? The only glimpse of "Cultural depth" we see is when Ophelia is buried in the cemetery in an actual grave due to her father's connections and his title of a noblemen. You stated above that "-basic human nature, that over all hasn't changed in the 450 years" and I disagree, human nature has changed a lot from 450 years ago, hence why Dusbiber is making her point. I personally don't think we should get rid of Hamlet entirely because its a good read but cultural wise it isn't teaching anyone anything, all Dusbiber was saying was to include more cultural rich literature into the canon that not only some can relate to but all can relate to.

katherinet said

at 1:48 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Damil, my post was comprised of 2 separate points. The first was a focus on why Shakespeare's works as a whole should be considered a literary canon which is where I made my point about Shakespeare's writing including cultural diversity. For example, Shakespeare's Othello was monumental in the inclusion of different races within literature. Othello himself was a legendary black general in the Venetian army who has a tragic end due to jealousy. I can see where you think that human nature has changed over the past 450 years since Shakespeare, however, I respectfully disagree. There is still war like there was 450 years ago and jealousy and suspicion still ruin lives today as depicted in Julius Caesar, people still fall in and out of love today as depicted in A Midsummer Night's Dream, teenagers still idealize young love today as depicted in Romeo and Juliet. In my opinion human behavior has not changed as much as one might think over the 450 years since Shakespeare, with all the technology and all the ethnic diversity, basic human nature still reigns supreme. Hamlet is not a literary canon because of racial diversity, which is what I said in my post. Hamlet is a literary canon because people today can still relate to the human behaviors represented.

damilj said

at 7:21 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Katherine, I somewhat see your point and somewhat agree but I still believe that human nature has at least developed and change a little. The motives for these things such as falling in and out of love and idealizing young love has changed. There are more outside forces that influence human nature now versus the very black and white motives and influences 450 years ago. Now, 450 years later there is a wider grey area than the simple black and white motives for human nature that Shakespeare once demonstrated. We can agree to disagree that they're basic templates to the now complex and diverse situations that are around in the current time frame of life.

katherinet said

at 8:48 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B. “These tedious old fools.” (2.2.237)
This quote said by Hamlet, aside, is one of the most important quotes of the play because it follows the theme of insanity that plagues Hamlet throughout the play. The quote proves that the so-called insanity Hamlet emulates is nothing other than a character is playing for the traitorous and nosy characters of the play. Hamlet is able to basically say anything he wants, insults be damned, through the rouse of insanity. During the entire conservation Hamlet has with Polonius in this scene, he insults Polonius’ age/appearance as well as Ophelia’s virtue and instead of Polonius getting upset, Hamlet is placated because everyone believes him to be insane.

hakimc said

at 6:27 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Kate what an intriguing quote you've chosen, while I do agree with your explanation of the significance of this quote, do you think that Hamlet actually means what he said towards Polonious when he said "These tedious old fools" (2.2.237) or did he just say it simply because of his depressed state?

damilj said

at 8:51 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B.)"O, that this too, too sullied flesh would melt,/Thaw, and resolve itself into a dew" (1.2.133-134)
This quote, voiced by Hamlet is important and insightful to his emotions and thought process and how this develops throughout the rest of play. Hamlet's concept of death has developed from a means of escape, to a tool of justice and then later something viewed as more sacred in his eyes. The line above wraps around the constant appearance or mortality, morality, and the state of being or being nothing throughout Hamlet.

jeniferf said

at 4:55 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Damil, I never thought about how important this quote could be until now! It is clear that Hamlet does struggle with these aspects of life. Do you think this quote applies itself solely to the mortality aspect of the play, or do you believe that it is also relevant with regard to morality and/or state of being?

damilj said

at 9:08 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey, Jenifer I think the quote itself relates to the Morality and/ or state of being in the play and the development of Hamlet's character as well as mortality. He went from being so nonchalant about death in the beginning of the play and casually wishing for death just to evade his problems but see, he was conflicted by the laws set against suicide, he was concerned about his soul and even later in the play he's still worried about his soul when he basically ask Laertes for penance

katelyni said

at 8:54 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A)Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon not only because it is historically significant, due to being a part of Shakespeare’s many written plays, but because it offers a beautifully written way to study human connection, societal roles of the time, emotion, and the very basics of structuring a piece of literature. Hamlet, in a sense, offers it all. A student can look at Hamlet through many different perspectives. Perspectives in the psychological sense, the sociocultural sense, the historical sense, or more structurally to understand the ambiguity of why Shakespeare did what he did. I do believe that Hamlet should not be the only text used to understand these perspectives, but it is an extremely valuable text because it offers a multitude of ways to study it.
B)This quote foreshadows the entire plot of the play. At this point, Claudius is king of Denmark because he married Queen Gertrude. This means that he has control over all the people in Denmark, including Hamlet. Hamlet knows this is bad because he already feels that he should rightfully be king since he was next in line for the throne but once the ghost appears he knows for sure something is wrong. This line being spoken by Marcellus, an insignificant character, to Horatio adds an effect because the reader would not initially think much of it. Ironically enough, this line holds a tremendous amount of significance because of the way it sets up the rest of the play. This line connects to the theme of death and revenge in Hamlet because of the way it acknowledges that clearly something is not right and how there is going to need to be something done about it. The situation that is not right is the late King Hamlets death and how this ghost is appearing as him.

katelyni said

at 8:55 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B)“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” (1.4.100)

jeniferf said

at 4:43 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Interesting quote Katie! It is one of my favorite lines in Hamlet as well. It is a line that connects the falling of the individuals in the monarchy to the falling of the monachy itself. Do you believe that this quote also has something to do with Fortinbras and his intention to take over Denmark? Was Shakespeare's intention to foreshadow the killings at the end of the novel and focus on the chracters themselves as the problem in Denmark, or to the actual overthrowing of the monarchy?

katelyni said

at 9:19 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Thanks Jenifer, great to hear from you! This quote could possibly have some connection to Fortinbras taking over Denmark but I do not think that it was his intention to do so. The reason Fortinbras ended up in power was because of all the tragedy that took place and the 'rottenness' that was occurring among the characters. I do believe that Shakespeare was trying to foreshadow the killings at the end because, in a way, they were inevitably going to happen in order for everyone to get their revenge. Great points! Love to hear from you again!

saraha said

at 9:31 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English literary canon because in the play there is not just one theme for Hamlet there are multiple of themes that the readers want to see like revenge, death, integrity and loyalty. The main theme of this play is revenge which demonstrates psychological criticism. It reveals psychological criticism because of Hamlet’s motivation to kill his uncle Claudius for executing his father King Hamlet. Furthermore, Hamlet’s motivation for revenge comes from the death of his father.
B. “This above all: to thine own self be true” (1.3.84). The significance of this line is to be true and honest with oneself. This line connects with the theme integrity of the play because Hamlet was honest to Gertrude about how he felt about her marrying his uncle right after his father had died. Hamlet stayed true to what he believed was right. Another line that is significant is “Murder most foul, as in the best it is” (1.5.33). This line signifies that murder is the worst of crimes and killing one’s own brother makes it even worse. This line connects with the theme death of the play because Hamlet father did die at the hands of his own brother which is Claudius.

asiac said

at 12:41 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hi Sarah! I totally agree in this context the first quotes connects to a theme of integrity. But, I would argue this characters and plot of the play show a consistent lack of integrity and overall betrayal. Do you believe Hamlet's plight and revenge overshadowed the external betrayals, and is more representative of the play as a whole?

saraha said

at 10:58 am on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Asia! Great question to answer your question, I don't believe that Hamlet's plight and revenge overshadowed the external betrayals, but I do believe that the plight and revenge is equal to the external betrayals because they are both prominent factors that contribute to the play as a whole.

malloryb said

at 9:35 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because of the literary craftmanship of Shakespeare. He includes struggles of dealing with death, unwelcomed family members and unrequited love. These problems are things people from all walks of life have dealt and deal with; Hamlet unravels universal human struggles but with extreme outcomes. People, like Dana Dusbiber, argue that Hamlet is not relatable to people of color due to the fact our Danish Prince is white and comes from a rich background therefore the play should not be included in English curriculum. However, Matthew Truesdale refutes her point in pointing out the emotions portrayed in the play are things us as humans feel and not what only white people feel. Another reason why Hamlet is cannon is because of the inclusion of literary devices and complex language. Metaphors, similes, synecdoches, metonyms and many more are seen in the play. Literary devices are essential in understanding English literature. With Hamlet showcasing plenty examples, it exposes readers to higher level literary devices thus increasing their knowledge of literature.
B) "The play's the thing"-Hamlet (2.2.628-29). This line is significant because this is when Hamlet comes to an epiphany to solidify what Ghost has told him. This line contributes to the overall theme of ignorance. There is ton of ignorance going on in the play. The other characters are ignorant to Ghost, Hamlet is unaware Ophelia truly cares for him, and Hamlet is ignorant to the truth behind Ghost's words about the death of King Hamlet.

baileyr said

at 9:32 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Mallory. That's a very interesting interpretation of the quote's significance to the play. I haven't thought of the theme of ignorance and the extent to which it impacts the play until now. So, my question for you is: to what extent do you think the theme of ignorance reaches into the plot or character development in the play?

malloryb said

at 2:09 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Great question, Bailey! I think it is deep within the story. The whole development of the play is built on a web of deception which causes people to be ignorant to the real problems going on. Gertrude, Polonius, and Ophelia have no idea about the ghost of King Hamlet coming back and telling Hamlet the story of his death, thus causing them to believe he is love sick. With this impression it causes a domino affect; Ophelia gets dragged into it which causes her immense stress and then Polonius feels the need to spy on Hamlet which then leads to his death. For character development, the impression of the love sickness (produced by the ignorance), brings out Polonius' protectiveness over his daughter. Before the play, Hamlet was also ignorant to the truth because of the fact he had nothing to back up King Hamlet's words. It was very clear it drove him a little mad and torn apart because he could not decide whether "to be or not to be".

brennas said

at 1:25 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Mal! I really like your quote, and the topic of ignorance. How do you think the play would be different if Hamlet knew that Ophelia truly cared for him?

malloryb said

at 9:15 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Brenna! Thank you:) Hamlet would be so much nicer towards Ophelia and would feel less like everyone in the court is ganging up on him. He would most likely calm down.

oliviap said

at 9:45 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't." (2.3.195) This quote from Act II Scrne III is spoken by Polonius to the audience, as he is having a conversation with Hamlet. Polonius realizes that Hamlet could be purposely acting mad, but has the reasoning for this behavior completely wrong. He believes that Hamlet is pretending to be crazy because he is so distraught by Ophelia’s rejection. While Polonius is incorrect about his accusation, the quote out of context is very relevant to the story as a whole. Through the entirety of the play, Hamlet’s madness gradually grows as he comes closer and closer to taking his revenge on Claudius and struggles with contemplating suicide. This quote raises the question of whether or not Hamlet’s behavior truly has a “method” or if it is just a byproduct of his broken family/personal relationships and the loss of a loved one. The motivation behind Hamlet’s madness is a topic that can be thoroughly examined and argued from a variety of different approaches, making this quote more of a discussions starter than a turning point in the plot.

baileyr said

at 9:43 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Olivia, I completely agree with you that Hamlet's madness can be thoroughly analyzed in a variety of different ways. In addition to his broken family/personal relationships and the loss of a loved one, do you think that Hamlet's own thoughts could also be a cause of his madness? In other words, do you think Hamlet could be driven insane by the intensity of his own internal struggles as the play progresses?

oliviap said

at 11:18 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Bailey! Thanks for your feedback! I definitely agree that Hamlets own mental instability contributed to his madness. While his madness may have initially been part of a plot to fool is family, as time progressed, I do believe that he became truly mad. He was so distraught about the loss of Ophelia and his father, and the marriage of his mother and uncle that his mental state deteriorated rapidly.

rubena said

at 9:46 pm on Dec 12, 2018

1. Hamlet is a part of the literary canon because of the way it tackles complexities seen in daily life. This is presented through its various themes and thought provoking ways of how commonalities in life are seen. As well as how Shakespeare is able to provide many examples of figurative language and literary devices. This can be seen it’s many scenes or immediately in the first line of “Who’s there?” Which can hint to the reader the way Shakespeare is able to insert thought provoking questions into the play.

2. One of the most significant lines in Hamlet is, “But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue.” This represents the immediate struggle that begins for the rest of the play. This struggle is one that is represented for many monarchies throughout the world and in this case, this is represented for Hamlet. He cannot share his feelings with others for he knows the repercussions that will follow suit, which would be the fall of the Denmark monarchy.

malloryb said

at 11:30 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hey Ruben! I agree with your standpoint on how Shakespeare really makes the reader think. What are some thought provoking questions Shakespeare has made you ponder about?

rubena said

at 8:26 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I think most notably the question he raises that makes me ponder is the scene where he asks "to be or not to be." The way it can display a different meaning allows the reader to take different approaches towards the play, which I think is what makes Shakespeare a notorious writer.

malloryb said

at 9:23 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Ruben! I completely agree with your comment about how Shakespeare's ambiguity makes him a fantastic writer. I enjoy the discussion behind possible meanings behind the "to be or not to be" soliloquy.

saraha said

at 5:10 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Ruben I agree with that this line is one of the most significant “But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue". Is there any other lines that represent the immediate struggle ?

rubena said

at 10:35 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I think as stated in my previous comment. The statement of "to b or not to be" is a strong one that resonates with many. It is essentially where one must ask themselves what is their purpose and why are they put on this Earth. Definitely I believe this represents immediate struggle.

deontef said

at 9:46 pm on Dec 12, 2018

1. Hamlet is included in English Literary Canon because of the quality of writing and Shakespeare’s stories about human experience. As stated by Matthew Truesdale, Shakespeare’s writing can applied to all kinds of people despite his work being written 450 years ago. Dana Dusbbiber noted that Shakespeare wrote in an early form of English language. Reading this language today pushes readers to decipher more difficult texts. Reading this older version of English also allows for study of the evolution of the English language. Understanding how the language has evolved and being able to read its older versions, give people a stronger grasp of the English language in its current form. Hamlet includes many aspects of human experience that are still applicable to people today. People still deal with rage, revenge, losing a parent, and depression.

2. Marcellus: “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” This quote is the most important because it foreshadowed the major conflict of the play and the events that would take play as a result. The line foreshadowed that something bad was in Denmark. The Ghost told Hamlet that he was killed by Claudius. This was later confirmed after Hamlet and Horatio saw Claudius’ reaction to the mousetrap. The word “rotten” refers to multiple aspects of Claudius’ actions. The way that Claudius got his power was rotten, which means the power hierarchy in Denmark is corrupt. The fact that Claudius married his brother’s wife is another aspect of the rottenness he displayed in the play.

sydneyg said

at 7:56 pm on Dec 13, 2018

hello deonte, i agree that 'something is rotten in the state of Denmark" does foreshadow that something bad was in Denmark. This line was in the very beginning of the play, and i think it does foreshadow the corruption of the monarchy, along with other characters. Each character is trying to seek revenge on another which ends in their own demise. Ghost of king Hamlet wanted Hamlet to avenge his death by killing Claudius, Claudius wanted to get Hamlet killed so that he wouldn't tell people the truth of his brother's death, Laertes wanted revenge on Hamlet for killing his father, Polonius. Another thing that is rotten in Denmark is that Gertrude married her deceased husband's brother, Claudius, that is incestuous and very rotten.

sethc said

at 1:02 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Deonte,
Great point you made about Shakespeare being taught in schools today helping Students with their understanding of the English Language and how it has developed. However, do you think reading Shakespeare so much in school prevents us from reading texts that are more modernly relevant and have more of a relation to our era?

deontef said

at 3:32 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Great question Seth! I do not believe reading Shakespeare prevents us from reading texts that are more modernity relevant. I believe reading texts that aren’t from our own time period allows us to find connections to our time period through different lenses. We may not relate to the events in Hamlet in modern times, but the feelings those events evoke Steve still prevalent today. People feel rage and are often depressed by things in there lives today. I feel readjng Shakespeare and being able to compare and contrast his writings to more modern ones is a benefit.

alexandera said

at 7:16 pm on Dec 16, 2018

A related point to your response is that not only do the themes in Hamlet apply today but i believe they can be considered timeless, the emotions that people feel regardless of the reason the feelings or reactions will seemingly never change.

deontef said

at 10:42 am on Dec 17, 2018

You make a great point Alex. Thank you for your insight on my response.

davidc said

at 11:38 pm on Dec 16, 2018

The quote you selected is a very generic one but also a very important one, do you believe Shakespeare foreshadowed any other major conflict before this one?

deontef said

at 10:39 am on Dec 17, 2018

Great question, David. I do not believe that Shakespeare foreshadowed any other major conflicts before this. This was the first scene of the play so not much had happened yet. When Marcellus referring to the rotten thing in Denmark was the first sign of the horrible thing to happen in the play.

davidc said

at 11:00 pm on Dec 17, 2018

After careful text examination i agree with you

kavehm said

at 7:39 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Deonte, do you think that Marcellus saying "rotten" also foreshadows all of the deaths in end being caused by poison?

jacobc said

at 9:52 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is considered to be part of the English literary canon because it includes multiple pieces of information as well as a background on traditional English life and the roles of different groups of individuals at the time. With the development of society in terms of social status and more, it remains extremely important to understand how society has improved and what it has touched on. Plays such as Hamlet display how gender, wealth, class, race, and more played such a large role at the time which allows readers to apply these standards to modern time. Many of the criticisms in Shakespeare emerge from the lack of diversity among characters and the outdated style of the texts. However, I believe it is still important to promote the use of Shakespeare within the classroom to see how life was different in the past.
B) "Haste me to know 't, that I, with wings as swift
As meditation or the thoughts of love,
May sweep to my revenge. " Act 1 Scene 5 Lines 31-37
After speaking with the ghost of his father for the first time, Hamlet makes it clear that he intends to avenge his father's death by killing Claudius. This remains Hamlet's main goal for the remainder of the play and ultimately leads to many of his bursts of insanity and desire to kill Claudius once and for all. This can be attributed to the theme of revenge which remains a big part of Hamlet, Laertes, and Fortinbras agendas due to the deaths of all their fathers at various times in the play. Thus, Hamlet sets the bar for the most desirable way of revenge not just for himself, but for others in the play dealing with hardship as well.

oliviap said

at 7:29 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Jake! You make a really interesting point that Hamlet gives readers insight into people's lives during the time period of the story! I agree that Hamlet is a good example of different societal stereotypes of the past, and has themes that can still be applied today. You also included a strong rebuttal to the counterargument that Hamlet does not deserve to be included in the literary canon due to its age and lack of diversity. In your opinion, why is it beneficial to learn about life in the past in classrooms today?

jacobc said

at 1:41 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Appreciate you Liv! I believe it is important to keep in touch with the past because it can alter our perceptions and allow us to appreciate how great life is today. If we choose to no longer learn about the past then it will become more difficult to analyze literature from a historical context and compare it to literature of today. Thus, Dusbiber's opinion doesn't just seem inaccurate, but I feel as though it could contribute to her class by comparing old literature to the literature she wants to teach.

kavehm said

at 7:19 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Jacob, that is a good quote to display Hamlet's desire for avenging his father. What does this show about Hamlet if he was so set on revenge but did not succeed till the very end of the play?

zacharyz said

at 9:53 pm on Dec 12, 2018

The Oxford English Dictionary defines the English literary canon as, “the list of works considered to be permanently established as being of the highest quality”. Hamlet has been included in this due to its wide range of themes present. Hamlet displays the theme of revenge at a level that set a precedent for all books to follow, both Hamlet and Laertes had their fathers killed and did everything they could to try to punish the person who commited the crime. Another theme that set a standard was Hamlet's theme of insanity, in the playwright the reader watches the gradual fall into insanity by Ophelia that leads to her eventual suicide. This was a drastic switch in how the character acted and lead future authors to follow suit.


Hamlet: “Denmark’s a prison.” (2.2.247) This line is significant because it highlights Hamlet’s disdain for the new King of Denmark, Claudius. Hamlet believes Claudius is a murderer and does not deserve to be King because he is running the country improperly. Claudius is placing restrictions on Hamlet that make him feel like he is not allowed to do anything, similar to how a prisoner feels inside a prison.

anyal said

at 11:25 am on Dec 13, 2018

Very captivating points you made there Zachary. I agree with what you said on why Hamlet is included in the English literary canon and how the major themes throughout the book are important for students to learn about. What is your opinion on Hamlet being included? Also, do you agree with Valerie Strauss or Matthew Truesdale's opinion?

anyal said

at 11:33 am on Dec 13, 2018

Dana Dusbiber or Matthew Truesdale?**

zacharyz said

at 11:18 am on Dec 16, 2018

Anya, I am delighted that you decided to comment on my post but it appears that you agreed with my point about Hamlet being in the literary canon and then asked me my opinion on if Hamlet should be included in the literary canon. In regards to your question about Matthew Truesdale or Valerie Strauss, I support Truesdale on the topic. I think that Shakespeare should be taught in all schools because it is relatable to life today and teaches students to read texts that are outside of their comfort zone.

alexandera said

at 7:10 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Zack, Do you think Fortinbras quest for revenge parallels Laertes and Hamlet, and if so does it exaggerate the theme of Revenge in Hamlet even further or present a more noble alternative.

zacharyz said

at 9:36 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Alex, I do not think that Fortinbras quest for revenge parallels Laertes and Hamlet's. Fortinbras lost his father like Laertes and Hamlet but he takes a much more civil route in honoring his father. Laertes and Hamlet both seek revenge for those who wronged their father but Fortinbras decided to fight for and that his father aspired to own. He realizes that his father would be more proud to see his son live out his goals then to live a life constantly seeking revenge.

caitlinb said

at 9:55 pm on Dec 12, 2018

Hamlet is included in the literary canon because of its complex characters . Hamlets complex characters like Hamlet himself or Ophelia still resonate with us till this day. Looking into Hamlets character we see that he is more than just the prince of Denmark, he is a man who is very anxious about death. Also, for example Ophelia, who has no backstory, we can look at this character through different perspectives to go into her as a complex character. For the reason of Hamlet having complex characters that can be seen from different perspectives, it is justifiably in the English Literary Canon.
“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” This line is spoken by Marcellus in Act I, scene iv (67) this line represents the work as a whole, by having the murder of King Hamlet as he main thing that is rotten. This carries out throughout the play with Claudius being a snake and hiding the fact that he killed the King.

MsBoyd said

at 8:38 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hi, Caitlin! I like the line you've picked -- there is a lot we can connect to being "rotten" in the state of Denmark. What do you make of the fact that this line is uttered by Marcellus, who is a minor character, who ends up hardly playing a role in the story (if memory serves, we don't hear a word from him after Act 1) after Hamlet sees the ghost? Why would Shakespeare give such an important line to such a minor character?

caitlinb said

at 12:08 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey, MsBoyd! I think that Shakespeare gave this line to such a minor character because if he were to give this line to an important character than it would reveal too much to the audience.

kellyr said

at 10:42 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Caitlin! I agree that Hamlet has several feelings about death. What do you think are some other examples of his attitudes towards death.

chasityp said

at 1:26 am on Dec 18, 2018

Hi, Caitlin, you mention that the murder of king Hamlet is the main thing that is considered rotten within the quote, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." What other things could be considered rotten?

kavehm said

at 10:00 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Hamlet should be included in the English literary Canon because of its relevance and the ability to still challenge the reader over four hundred years after it’s making. The story of Hamlet has been recycled with the making of the Lion King and has had modern adaptations with the 2000 version of Hamlet. The story is still being told to this day and has recently been applied to a modern situation which shows the lasting impact Hamlet has made. Also, according to English teacher Matthew Truesdale, Shakespeare still challenges the reader and that is very apparent within Hamlet. Many instances within the play are still to this day up for interpretation like Hamlet’s “To be or not to be” speech and if Hamlet is discussing suicide or taking action on Claudius.
B. “I am justly killed with mine own treachery” (5.2.337) is said by Laertes when Hamlet kills him with the sword that Laertes and Claudius poisoned. Shortly after this happens, Laertes and Hamlet apologize to each other for the killing they have done. This line shows Laertes regretting his hasty plan with Claudius to kill Hamlet and feels that he deserves to die. This quote ties into the theme of revenge because Laertes was in the duel with Hamlet to get revenge for Polonius’ murder, but he ended up on the receiving end of revenge for killing Hamlet.

MsBoyd said

at 8:39 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Kaveh. I love these lines from Laertes -- also the bit before about how he is "like a woodcock to mine own springe," a bird caught in a trap of his own making. I also like how you point our that Laertes know he deserves to die because he killed Hamlet, even though Hamlet killed Polonius. When it comes to being a good person, how does Laertes compare to Hamlet?

zacharyz said

at 11:34 am on Dec 16, 2018

Ms. Boyd, I have conducted hours of surveys and analyzed data from all over the world to discover that the dodo is actually the least intelligent bird of all time and the most likely to be caught in its own trap. Why do you think that Shakespeare decided to use the woodcock as an example of a stupid bird instead of a dodo?

MsBoyd said

at 2:39 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi, Zach. I appreciate your dedication to avian research. Shakespeare probably never went to Mauritius, a small island off the coast of Madagascar, which is the only place dodo birds lived, apparently. Woodcocks, on the other hand, are native to the UK.

kavehm said

at 7:06 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Ms Boyd, when it comes to being a "good person" Laertes excels more than Hamlet. Laertes only killed for purpose of revenge and even then showed great remorse. While going about his own revenge, Hamlet got numerous people killed like Polonius, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern while showing little remorse.

jacquelynf said

at 10:19 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet should be included in the literary canon because of its relevance to the lives of those reading it, no matter what time period it is being read in, as argued by Matthew Truesdale. The play is a good representation of challenges faced by many people in society and shows examples of many different ways that characters could respond to adversity such as with anger, madness, or depression. An instance in which a character responded in a notable way to a challenge was when Hamlet lost his temper with his mother, Gertrude. He was very upset with her for not grieving the death of his father, and quickly moving on to marry his uncle. He grew very angry with her in a confrontation which escalated very quickly, resulting in him killing Polonius behind the curtain.
B) "A little more than kin, and less than kind." (1.2)
This line is significant because not only is it Hamlet's first line of the play, but it shows Hamlet's attitude toward his situation. He is expressing anger toward Claudius for marrying his mother so soon after the death of his father, saying that Claudius may be a little bit more than an uncle or cousin to him because he is now technically his step-father, but he will never receive the respect from Hamlet that he showed toward his late father, King Hamlet. This foreshadows other events in the play because he majority of the plot is leading up to Hamlet killing Claudius.

megans said

at 11:30 am on Dec 13, 2018

I agree with the idea that Hamlet has topics that most people can relate to. do you think that there are other books or plays that modern students understand and relate to more?

jacquelynf said

at 10:35 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Megan! Good question, I think that there have definitely been books written in today's time that may be easier for modern students to understand and relate to. However, I also think that some of the themes presented in "Hamlet" are relevant to some students' lives today such as love or loss.

naomiy said

at 1:59 am on Dec 17, 2018

Jackie, I definitely agree that the line you chose in point "B" has great significance to Hamlet. Why do you think that Shakespeare decided to make that Hamlet's first line of the play?

jacquelynf said

at 10:38 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Naomi! I think that Shakespeare chose that to be Hamlet's first line in the play because it gives the reader a clue into what the rest of the plot will be about. The fact that Hamlet, even in just the first line, is giving his uncle/ step-dad attitude and acting bitter, shows the reader the type of behavior they should expect from Hamlet throughout the play.

brookec said

at 10:40 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. The literary canon includes a wide variety of texts throughout history and Hamlet is an important text that should be included. First, Shakespeare is possibly one of the most well known writers of all time and also one of the most important for his timeless stories and compelling characters. Hamlet teaches its readers unique and prominent lessons that I feel are important for modern day readers to understand today. Hamlet was also a relatable character because of all his imperfections that we see evident throughout the play. The most significant of these imperfections is that he is unable to make a decision, which helps to guide the plot along. Hamlet, although from a different time, includes timeless themes, lessons, and characters that are still applicable to society today and therefore should be in the literary canon.
B. “I am justly killed with mine own treachery.” (5.2.337) Laertes delivers this line after he is stabbed by Hamlet with his own poisoned sword. Like all of the deceptive characters such as Claudius, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and Hamlet, Laertes dies because of his own deception. None of the characters in Hamlet could really be trusted thus they all ended dying as a result of their flaws. The theme of deceit is one of the most important in Hamlet, because the plot revolves around the idea of deception.

MsBoyd said

at 8:43 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Brooke! I also think this line is significant -- the connection to deception in Hamlet is one of the strongest themes in the text, I think. I often wonder how many deaths could have been avoided in this story if only people were direct with each other instead of sneaking around and betraying them. Are there any characters in the test who *aren't* deceptive?

brookec said

at 9:41 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey, Ms. Boyd! I would say that of the main cast, Horatio is not a deceptive character. Horatio was a good friend to Hamlet and never looked to go behind his back or betray him. He was the epitome of a faithful friend as he was supportive of Hamlet's decisions and was really the only one who always stuck by Hamlet's side, and also did not hold any kind of vendetta against anyone. Thus, Horatio, unlike the other main characters, was not a victim of the bloody duel at the end of the play. I think it is also important to note that since Horatio was not, deceptive he did not fall a victim to deception as Gertrude, Claudius, Hamlet, Polonius, Laertes, and even Ophelia did.

mannatk said

at 7:53 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Brooke! I completely agree that deception is an important theme throughout Hamlet and played a part in the downfall of certain characters. Do you think that the downfall of Hamlet was due to deception as well because of his decision to pretend to be mad throughout the play or was it something else that led to his death?

brookec said

at 9:55 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Mannat, Great question! I believe Hamlet's death a result of his act of madness. Claudius saw Hamlet as a threat because of how he killed Polonius. Claudius was worried that Hamlet's madness would result in the harm of the kingdom but more importantly, he was worried that Hamlet posed a threat to him. Hamlet was ratted out multiple times, so of course of Claudius believed he was mad. Hamlet fell a victim to his own deception because Claudius used his madness and rash acts as a reason to have Laertes duel with him and (unknowingly) kill him.

caitlinb said

at 11:56 am on Dec 16, 2018

Hey, Brooke I completely agree with your reasoning of why Hamlet is included in the literary cannon. What do think sets Shakespeare apart from his other contemporary's of the same time period?

brookec said

at 10:12 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Caitlin! I believe Shakespeare's way of writing is what sets him apart from others of his time. His plays can be enjoyed by almost anyone and everyone. He writes in a way that allows people to understand his works on a basic level, for entertainment, and also on a more complex level, to allow people to analyze for deeper meanings. His plays include drama, comedy, romance, and almost any other genre you could think of. Hamlet includes aspects of all these genres and can be enjoyed on a basic level and on a complex level. Hamlet is even said to be one of Shakespeare's greatest characters because he is so complex, that there are many interpretations of his character that could exist. All in all, I believe it is Shakespeare's style of writing that sets him apart from other writers of his time, and keeps him relevant today.

chasityp said

at 11:05 pm on Dec 12, 2018

a. A literary canon can be defined as "a body of books, narratives and other texts considered to be the most important and influential of a particular time period and place." Although us young people may not see Shakespeare as something we would choose to read, when we do or any other age group does, it is often a rewarding experience. Those who saw Hamlet when it was first put onto stage, most likely saw it as history being made and I'm sure it was full of people since they often didn't have things like that like how we have movie theaters. It connects to people in many different ways like falling deeply in love, rejection, depression, anxiety, and mourning of a loved one. It makes us think about our lives. An example would be how Hamlet would go from loving to yelling at Ophelia and I'm sure many of us have experienced someone who would changed their mind often resulting in pain or hurt. I do feel like it is very outdated when it comes to diversity and how Hamlet represents women but it does allow us to compare life back then to life now.
b. I believe the most important line is "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" not only does this foreshadow the bad events coming, its connects to the death theme of Hamlet. At the end, there are multiple deaths, and "rotten" can refer to the decomposition of the bodies. It shows that people are corrupt in Denmark but at first we don't know who and that Hamlets fathers ghost is seeking revenge which will only end bad.

MsBoyd said

at 8:47 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Chasity! All your points here are interesting, but I really appreciate the connection you make between the "rottenness" in Denmark and the literal decay of the corpses that litter the stage at the play's end. I think, if you look at the context of when that quote is said by Marcellus, you might find that no characters know exactly *why* the ghost is present, and that Horatio and Marcellus aren't quite sure of the exact reason why he is prowling Elsinore in his armor. None of them know what is "rotten," so they can only say that it is "something." Do you think that confusion plays a major role in this play, as well?

chasityp said

at 8:34 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hi, Ms. Boyd, I do believe that confusion plays a role in this play because if the characters knew everything, it wouldn't exactly be as mysterious as it is. Like if Hamlet knew the ghosts intentions, who knows if he would have listened to him at all. That would change the whole play. If he knew that it was a bad spirit, he may have just let everything he said go and believed that he was trying to get him to commit murder. That may have even led to the prevention of all the deaths at the end. There are many things in the play, that even by the end, we still don't know the answers to. This allows the readers to infer their own answers and many of us may have different perspectives on the text due to this.

caitlinb said

at 12:00 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi, Chasity! I also put down the same quote, how do you think the foreshadowing of this quote goes on to affect the rest of the play?

chasityp said

at 8:27 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hi, Caitlin! The foreshadowing within this quote make the readers expect something negative or tragic to happen by the end of the play. It keeps us on the edge of our seat because we don't know what will happen or how it happens. Also Marcellus and Horatio are the ones who were present when the quote was said so they may be on the edge of their seat as well.

devinm said

at 11:13 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. (I feel like I wrote a little more than necessary for this, but no point in getting rid of it now)
My argument for including Beowulf in the literary canon was based on its numerous adaptations and historical significance. If Beowulf is included based on these reasons, it would not make sense to omit Hamlet. Every major Shakespearean work, including Hamlet, has been remade into a movie or other medium, many more than once. It is not an understatement to say that Shakespeare is one of the most influential figures to have shaped today's culture. Or at least, the culture that I have been exposed to.
Hamlet does present strong universal themes, but it makes sense to take issue with it being written by a white man 450 years ago, most likely intended for white actors and white audiences. Not everyone can relate to that, and not everyone should have to. Looking beyond the racial aspect, many non-native English speakers must have trouble reading and understanding Shakespeare, considering most native English speakers do as well. This has its equivalences in other cultures, with elements like dialects of the language a work is written in, translation issues, obsolete words and phrases, etc. So why do we include Shakespeare then?
Shakespeare, or specifically Hamlet in this case, is included because the English Literary Canon is just a list. There's no set limit to how many things can be on this list at a time (as far as I know). There is no question that we should include works from other cultures, because other people can relate to them, and because they are significant to other people. Despite this, we should not remove works from the canon just because not everyone can relate to them. If anything, they should be kept because they can force people to understand different perspectives than their own. Whether Shakespeare should be included in the common core English Language Arts curriculum, however, is a different argument.

devinm said

at 11:13 pm on Dec 12, 2018

B. "I perchance hereafter shall think meet
To put an antic disposition on"
(I.v.191-192)
These lines are significant because they set the stage for Hamlet's behavior during the play, establishing his motive for acting strangely, if not crazily. They connect to the theme of drama and performance that is present within the play because they show how Hamlet sees himself as an actor merely playing the role of a crazy person.

morganl said

at 9:43 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hi Devin, I like your choice of quote and the point you made about it. Do you think Hamlet maintained this antic disposition throughout the play, or do you think he got lost in the act and truly became crazy?

mannatk said

at 11:13 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A) Hamlet is included partly because it is only fitting that the work of one of the most renowned figures in English literature is included in the English Literary Canon. Of course this specific play isn’t just included because of his reputation- it is part of the Canon because of the way his words speak to people. Though some may disagree, there are many people who feel as though Shakespeare’s work relates to them in some way. I highly doubt that there are people who have experienced what Hamlet has gone through, but I am certain that there are people who have felt the way Hamlet feels. Whether it is anger, depression, hesitation, or a feeling of vengeance, some of us can relate to Hamlet on an emotional level. The fact that readers are able to relate to the characters emotionally, rather than through experience is a major reason that Shakespeare’s work is still relatable today. I mean, how can natural human emotions change over 450 years? Overall, Shakespeare’s ability to explore natural human feelings (even if it is overdramatized at times) and the human condition makes his work timeless and well deserving of its place in the Literary Canon.

B) “Conscience doth make cowards of us all.” –Hamlet
This quote is a line from Hamlet’s famous “To be or not to be” soliloquy. In this specific speech, Hamlet is stating that the fear of death makes us all cowards. Though in his soliloquy, Hamlet is most likely talking about his fear of dying because he does not know what will happen after death, he could also be expressing his fear of murdering Claudius. He may fear killing Claudius because he does not know what will happen once he does. An overarching theme in the play is the concept of death. This idea is thoroughly explored by Hamlet as he struggles dealing with his father’s death and his duty to avenge his father.

sophiaw said

at 11:14 am on Dec 13, 2018

Mannat, I think that you are completely correct when you said Hamlet is expressing his fear of murdering Claudius, when he mentions his conscience. I think that Hamlet was nervous about whether to kill Claudius or not because he wasn’t sure at this point in the play if Claudius was the murderer of Old Hamlet. I believe that Hamlet was worried to kill Claudius, in case the ghost was actually a demon trying to trick him. I also think that this quote could be related to Laertes when he isn’t sure of whether to kill Hamlet. He wasn’t sure if it was against his conscience to kill Hamlet, so he almost became “a coward” and stopped. But, he didn’t want to seem cowardly, so he went through with this. Do you agree that the quote could be applied to Laertes?

mannatk said

at 7:56 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hi Sophie! I absolutely agree that the quote can be applied to Laertes considering his slight hesitation when it came to killing Hamlet. It is evident that without Claudius and his persuasion, Laertes may not have even thought of Killing Hamlet in the first place.

sophiaw said

at 8:27 am on Dec 17, 2018

Mannat, looking back on this quote again, I think that this quote could actually be applied to many more characters. I think that each character has a unique conscience and it effects their actions in different ways, making some cowards, while others are the opposite.

saraha said

at 5:18 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Mannat, I completely agree with you that Hamlet might be expressing his fear of murdering his Claudius because at that moment in the play when Hamlet did have a chance to kill Claudius while he was praying he hesitated. Hamlet also thought that if he killed his uncle while he was praying that he would go to heaven, which is weird to be honest at that moment Hamlet could have killed him, but didn't over his fear.

mannatk said

at 8:01 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hello Sarah, It is really strange that Claudius performing such a small task was the reason his life was spared at that moment. Honestly, Hamlet could have waited until Claudius was done praying but I'm assuming that murdering someone wasn't something he really wanted to do and like you said-his fear took over and stopped him from kill Claudius by making up the excuse that he couldn't murder him while he was praying.

jacquelynf said

at 9:48 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Mannat! I think that this is a very important quote because Hamlet is realizing and acknowledging that he is a coward for not taking action to avenge his father’s death. Do you think it is ironic that Hamlet is saying that he and others are cowardly because of a fear of death in the same speech in which he is contemplating suicide?

mannatk said

at 8:05 pm on Dec 15, 2018

Hey Jackie! It is definitely ironic to some extent but I personally think that he included how cowardly he is when it comes to death as one of the major reasons (besides it being a sin) as to why he doesn't just end his life. In the soliloquy he states that no one knows what happens after death and that is why he is so afraid of committing suicide and why he contemplates life vs death.

brennas said

at 11:24 pm on Dec 12, 2018

a) "Hamlet" is included in the English Literary Canon due its undying relevance among high school students especially, even through the 450 years since it has been written. Dara Dusbiber, a high school English teacher, uses this fact to discredit Shakespeare's writing by saying that there are better works out there "that better speaks to the needs of my very ethnically-diverse and wonderfully curious modern-day students." Matthew Truesdale, an English teacher from the same city as Dusbiber, properly refutes her claims by stating, "Ethnically diverse students don't foolishly fall in love and over-dramatize every facel of that experience?...Or act desperately out of passion?" All of these examples are something that almost everyone can relate too, and is even better for high school students our age to read to help them understand their feelings or see that it's not just them. This is present in "Hamlet" with his "To be, or no to be" speech which shows Hamlet facing a difficult choice in his life, which many people can relate to dealing with, even if it's not to the same degree as Hamlet's, hopefully.
b) "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." (1.5.100)
This line is spoken by Marcellus to Horatio when they speak about whether or not to follow the ghost and Hamlet. This quote is important due to its reference to if the ghost is a bad omen for Denmark, and its connection to the overall theme of the story that is the issue of the illegitimacy of who is running Denmark.

MsBoyd said

at 8:49 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Brenna. I appreciate your points for Hamlet's continued relevance for high school students in particular. It actually reminded me of my first experience reading Hamlet, where I visualized him as a younger character for most of the play (until the gravedigger lets us know Hamlet is 30). Do you think Hamlet is "adolescent" as a protagonist, despite his advanced age? What about him as a character is relatable?

brennas said

at 1:16 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey, Mrs. Boyd. I definitely do see Hamlet as a rather "adolescent" at heart character, and i find it very easy to relate him to myself and many of my other high school peers. Even when we first encounter Hamlet in the play, he's dressed in all black and is giving a very sassy attitude to his mother and his new step father, who just so happens to also be his uncle, which paints him as this attention seeking, and troubled kids who wants to rebel against his parental figures, that i and many of my peers can definitely relate to. Also, throughout the play, Hamlet is consistently questioning what death really is and what it really means to all of us, and i believe that at this time in our lives we're starting to explore more deep topics like that. So, by seeing Hamlet also question the same issues, and topics as us, he becomes a lot more of a relatable character to anyone my age.

dashaunf said

at 11:29 pm on Dec 12, 2018

a) Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon due to its relevance and abstract evaluation of common dilemmas. According to Matthew Truesdale, just because Shakespeare wrote over 450 years ago, doesn’t mean it has no correlation to our society today. If the duration in which a piece was written was significant, then why bother to abide by the principles written in religious texts. Shakespeare was indeed a mastermind regarding constructing figuratively profound literature. The character Hamlet, expresses a variety of emotions throughout the play, in which can be mirrored by our everyday lives. As young people navigate the feelings of love, death, and self-satisfaction which can be seen through eyes of Hamlet. Shakespeare’s pieces are humane, progressive and accurate portrayals of race and gender. Therefore, the themes that are evident within Hamlet should be studied by all students as a form of preparation for the real-world, as the ideas within the play are extremely applicable to the cycle of life.

b) “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” (1.4.100) These lines recited by Marcellus are extremely significant, as they set the underlying principles of corruption and inevitable fate. Although the lines appear at the beginning of the play, the fundamental ideas exist throughout. For example, the “something” that is initially rotten in the state of Denmark could be viewed as King Hamlet’s flesh and the malicious mind of Claudius. On the other hand, at the end of the play, each character faces their fate as they all perish in a variety of ways.

esmeraldas said

at 8:39 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Dashaun! I think you make some great points about common dilemmas throughout Hamlet, which dilemma do you think is most important in the development of Hamlets character?

dashaunf said

at 9:32 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Esmeralda, I appreciate your mutual understanding in regard to common dilemmas. In response to your question, the most important common dilemma that developed Hamlet into a sensible character is the struggle to overcome adversity, in which was portrayed through love. As Hamlet lost his father while also losing the love of his life, being Ophelia. These two events shaped the play, creating a world of chaos and corruption.

hakimc said

at 3:27 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Dashaun, I very much agree with your explanation of why.hamlet should be included in the literary canon, coincendentally, some of the points you made was the point I was trying to get out, but I feel obliged to ask this question which Esmeralda also asks, which dilemma do you think is most important in the development of Hamlet's character?

dashaunf said

at 9:40 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Hakim, thanks for the feedback. Hamlet is an extremely complex character who navigates a world of corruption, not everyone could sleep at night knowing that their father has been murdered by their uncle, who then wed their mother. Therefore, a battle with adversity is the most important as it influenced all of Hamlet's actions.

hakimc said

at 9:58 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Very well, I could consider putting myself in Hamlet's shoe, imagine what life would be like if I was Hamlet. After having imagined his life, if I was Hamlet, I would have gone through the same thing, battling with anxiety and depression, all because someone had killed a love one. I could definitely understand how important this dilemma is, which do relate to real life, which therefore, according to our argument, is the reason as to why Hamlet is included in the literary canon.

alexandera said

at 11:59 pm on Dec 12, 2018

A. Although Hamlet is an old text, it's relevance keeps it's stance in the English Literary Canon. Shakespeare's influence in literature persuades the minds of readers who could be going through a similar situation. Due to it's famous quotes and relevance, this tragedy has become one of the world's greatest literature. Shakespeare's work may be hard to relate with people today, but his plays seem to have an influence in today's society if the 400 year old text still is ranked one of the best pieces of literature. Although not everyone can relate to the Prince of Denmark, we all still have issues that go on within our lives that question how we can justify the actions that have be made and how to make them right.

B. "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." (2.2) This line is significant because it relates to overthinking and how Hamlet is trapped in his own mind, making him a prisoner. Hamlet is only wishing he was ignorant to the entire situation going on around him, but also wants to get justice for his father's death. To Hamlet, Denmark is equivalent to a prison because of the freedom he no longer has due to Claudius and his restrictions on Hamlet. This quote describes the injustices that are going on around him and how they will potentially affect his life forever. The actions Hamlet will have to take may be extreme, but he is certain to justify the wrongs that have been done due to the actions of someone else.

dashaunf said

at 12:04 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello Alex, I agree that Hamlet is trapped in his own mind, which can be supported with an evaluation through the Psychological lens. Do you think if Hamlet was indeed a feeble minded character, he would still have been classified as a prisoner of Denmark?

alexandera said

at 8:22 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I think if Hamlet was a feeble minded character he would not still be a prisoner in Denmark because he would be unable to realize the complexities that demonstrate the world around him is a prison

asiac said

at 12:01 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Yes Hamlet should be in the English literary canon. As Truesdale stated Shakespeare writes for a universal human experience. Specifically, Hamlet has basic universal themes of death, revenge, and love. Shakespeares writing transcends race, age, and time. Even from an historical perspective, Shakespeare provides a vast and progressive perspective on the time in which it was written. Hamlet can be examined through many lenses, psychological, formalistic, historical, and sociological approaches. Despite being so universal, Hamlet is still unique amongst the works produced of the time. Hamlet is no generic epic story. Shakespeare excellent story telling establishes tension within the first line, and artfully maintains the quality throughout the story. Hamlet maintains a sense of amibiguity, welcoming the several adaptations that have occurred hundreds of years following its publication. The ambiguity allows the reader to form their own opinions and perceptions of the text applying it through to their own human experience.

ishanis said

at 8:08 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hi Asia! I know I really enjoyed the gender studies approach to Hamlet that we did because it's really interesting to explore why Shakespeare had certain characters, like Ophelia, behave certain ways. What is your favorite lens to view Hamlet through?

asiac said

at 6:36 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I would say, I enjoyed the psychological view the most. Not necessarily for the diagnosis aspect, insane or sane. But, I thoroughly enjoyed applying different perspectives to Hamlet. Especially, since half of the claims and applications made were not on Shakespeare's radar when he wrote Hamlet. So, we as readers are able to make assumptions and create our own narrative.

esmeraldas said

at 8:44 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Asia! I 100% agree that Shakespeare writes for a universal human experiences, do you think that because Hamlet teaches students about the human condition it should be read or should it be read because "it always been done" that way?

asiac said

at 6:56 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I think it should be read because of Shakespeare's ability to artfully depict the human experience. I believe Shakespeare can be brought into the modern age through different teaching techniques. In addition, to current interpretations like Michael Almeyreda's Hamlet (not the greatest but hey its there) and Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet (the better of the two in my opinion). Also, words will never die. They can always be looked at through new and more modern lenses.

madisonb said

at 12:02 am on Dec 13, 2018

a) Hamlet is included in the literary canon because the principles and themes within the novel are applicable to anyone from any time period. Unlike Dara Dusbiber’s view, whether or not Hamlet was written by a white man does not matter as the basic ideas promoted by Hamlet can be applied to anyone of any ethnicity. The ideas in Hamlet are universal and are not, and should not, be constrained by the thought that Hamlet’s messages are only applicable to a certain time period.
b) “The play’s the thing wherein I’ll catch the conscious of the king (2.2.601-603).” These lines are significant because it is when Hamlet tells the audience how he is planning on confirming Claudius’s guilt. Up until this point in time of the play Hamlet had not made a real move to put his plan for revenge in play. However, his special instructions to the actors for the play show first, a shift in Hamlet’s character as someone who is ready to take action and second, a shift in the plot as the play starts this snowball effect with the start of action.

sydneyg said

at 7:26 pm on Dec 13, 2018

hello madison, i agree with you that "the plays the thing wherin i'll catch the conscious of the king", is a very important line, because up until then Hamlet thought that the Ghost might be a demon trying to trick Hamlet into engaging in a sinful act. However when Hamlet saw Claudius' reaction to the play he realized that the Ghost was indeed telling the truth, and started to carry out his action for revenge.

madisonb said

at 5:15 pm on Dec 16, 2018

hi, Sydney! thank you for your feedback. I do agree that Claudius's reaction is very significant to the plot of the play and that Hamlet does plan revenge after seeing his reaction. However, I believe as if we see a shift in Hamlet's character as this is the first time the audience sees Hamlet do anything even remotely relating to revenge. Prior to this occurrence, Hamlet had not acted on his feelings towards Claudius.

lexit said

at 12:02 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Hamlet is in the literary cannon because Shakespeare incorporated universal themes that apply to every generation. As Truesdale noted, Hamlet experiences loss and express the typical enotions that follow. Although Dusbibber had a point that Shakespeare is old, and that we must be exposed to literature from other cultures, Hamlet can be relatable to people in modern times, Even though it was written 450 years ago, the struggle Hamlet faces after losing his father, within in his family, and his problems with Ophelia are not uncommon today in all cultures. Shakespeare is a classic for a reason, it expands the mind of those who read his work and establishes important themes in literature.

B. “A little more than kin and less than kind.” (1.2.65)
This quote is said by Hamlet in response to Claudius. He is using a play on words to imply that Claudius is only closer to him through marrying Gertrude. Hamlet is upset by this arrangement but he knows he cannot directly express his feelings, as he is the prince and Claudius is the king of Denmark. This establishes the lack of communication that will be carried throughout the play and ultimately result in the final bloodbath. Hamlet’s inability to express himself leads to his “insanity” and the intricate murder plots established by various characters.

oliviap said

at 7:15 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Lexi! I completely agree that Hamlet is included as a part of the literary canon because of its universal themes. The idea that loss/Hamlet's reaction to loss being a major theme is a great point, and it was nice that you referenced Truesdale's article in your response! You also included a strong rebuttal to Dusbibber's claims that Hamlet should not be included in the canon due to its age and lack of diversity. In your opinion, what is the most prominent theme found within the text?

lexit said

at 3:12 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Liv! Thank you! Although Hamlet's struggle with loss and his romantic struggles may be the most relatable aspects of the play, I would argue that revenge is the most prominent theme. The majority of the plot is based on Hamlet's drive for revenge on Claudius for killing his father. Hamlet's organization of the play and numerous attempts to get kill Claudius illustrate this theme. However, many of the other characters are driven by revenge as well. Fortinbras is also seeking revenge for his father and Laertes agrees to help Claudius kill Hamlet because he wants revenge after Hamlet kills Polonius. Revenge is the driving force behind many important decisions made throughout the play.

madisonb said

at 10:40 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello, Lexi! I really like your quote and the explanation of its context. Do you think that this is Hamlet's best "play on words"? Or do you think other times, such as when he is talking to Polonius, are better examples of Hamlet trying to act mad and insane by using puns/words with double meanings?

lexit said

at 3:04 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Maddie! Great question. I would argue that the play on words in this quote has more significance than the other instances in which Hamlet uses puns. Although the other puns may be more comical than this quote, they are typically used to insult or make fun of other characters, such as when Hamlet uses the word "nunnery" in his conversation with Ophelia or when repeatedly insults Polonius is their conversation. This quote immediately lets the audience in on Hamlet's feelings, as he is clearly unhappy with the marriage of his uncle and his mother. It establishes the resentment Hamlet has toward Claudius and his mother's decision to marry him that will be carried throughout the play.

lauryns said

at 12:05 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because Hamlet is a huge influence on modern day novels and Hamlet displays William Shakespeare’s powerful writing. In Hamlet there are issues that we still see to this day like revenge and violence, and with added plot twists, it makes up to be one of Shakespeare’s best plays. People could and can still relate to the prevalent themes in Shakespeare’s works and Shakespeare’s worldwide recognition as an author earns him a spot in the English literary canon. But there are people who question Hamlet’s place of honor in the literary canon like, Dana Dusbiber says how we should start focusing on Literature from Latin America and Southeast Asia and even more since so many students in America come from these languages and traditions. However, Matthew Truesdale, an English teacher, disagrees and says, “Where does it say we can’t teach Shakespeare AND oral African tradition?” Truesdale brings up the point that we cannot simply discredit Shakespeare’s work because he is white and old, in his writing even his diverse portrayal of race and gender shows signs of progressiveness and “he has much to teach us about modern human condition”
B.” Alexander died, Alexander was buried, Alexander returneth into dust; the dust is earth, of earth we make loam, and why of that loam whereto he was converted might they not stop a beer barrel?” (Act V, scene i). In this quote, Hamlet is at the graveyard looking at a skull, when the gravedigger tells him that is Yorick’s’ skull, someone Hamlet knew, he realizes that all men will eventually turn to dust and even great kings like Alexander the Great. This quote is important because death is a huge theme in Hamlet and Hamlet looking at the skull can represent himself looking directly at death itself and his desire to commit suicide. Hamlet realizes the inevitability of death and his outlook on death matures.

daniellai said

at 11:34 am on Dec 13, 2018

Hello Lauryn,

I completely agree with your first statement--in my opinion, "Hamlet" is one of Shakespeare's best works and his powerful writing has earned him a spot in the literary canon. There is no wonder why his plays are still shown throughout the world and read by nearly every high school student in the U.S. One thing that stood out of me was the fact that you included two valid viewpoints of teachers opinion on "Hamlet." While many may agree that his works are meant to be shown due to their relevance to society today and in years prior, others may argue that his work is not relevant to society because it only showcases one viewpoint. I see that you feel as if this piece should maintain its spot within the literary canon, do you agree with Dana's perspective or Mathew's?

lauryns said

at 11:04 am on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Daniella,
Great question! I agree with Matthew that it should maintain its spot within the literary canon because of the fact that Shakespeare's work has been around for so many years, we can still learn so much from it and relate to it. Just like you said before, Shakespeare's powerful writing has earned him a spot in the literary canon and we can argue that although Shakespeare is a white male, he still included a "diverse portrayal of the complexities of race and gender" as stated by Matthew Truesdale.

zacharyz said

at 5:36 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hi Lauryn,
I wholeheartedly agree with your point that Hamlet has a huge influence on modern day novels and is still relevant to this day. In the gravedigger scene that you referenced with your quote, the characters discuss if Ophelias's funeral is legitimate. Do you believe she should still be buried and were you surprised that Hamlet did not feel any sense of guilt for her suicide?

asiac said

at 12:16 am on Dec 13, 2018

B. “Who’s there? (1.1.1). The first line of the play established the tone for the entire play. Shakespeare establishes tension in the story that will soon unfold and gives context to the events which occurred prior. Denmark is in havoc. Before the reader is introduced to Hamlet or any of the main cast the story has elements of suspicion and ambiguity. The theme is carried throughout the story. Shakespeare uses dramatic irony amongst the main characters to further the ambiguous tone. It is something to be noted that the first and last lines of the play were not spoken by Hamlet, Claudius or any other significant character, fully sealing their fates and the rebirth of Denmark.

madisonb said

at 10:44 pm on Dec 14, 2018

hi, Asia! First, I love your quote. But even better, I really enjoy - and agree - with your explanation of it. I had not put any thought to the fact that the first and last lines of the play are not spoken by Hamlet, Claudius, or any other significant characters. I hadn't realized how the opening and closing lines really bring Hamlet's theme around full circle. Do you think there are any other lines in the text that have the same effect as this one? Whether it be in regards to the ambiguous nature of the play or with regards to the minor character point?

asiac said

at 5:39 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Maddie, a specific scene that comes to mind is Gertrude's account of Ophelia's death and the subsequent public reaction. The gravedigger states "How can that be, unless she drowned herself in her own defense? (5.1.6)" Accident or suicide? Who really knows? Shakespeare, I guess but he is long gone now, so its up to the reader to decide. In regards to the minor characters point, one of Hamlet's final request "And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain/ To tell my story. (5.2.383-384)" Hamlet tells Horatio, a minor character, is ordered to aid in the rebirth of Denmark.

daylenr said

at 12:18 am on Dec 13, 2018

A: Hamlet is (and should) included in the English Literary Canon due to it's relevance to modern problems we face each day. This has been argued in the segment of the article by Matt Truesdale. One of his main points were that the play was a good representation of everyday challenges people face. An example of this is Hamlet being rejected by Ophelia (his crush)

B. "A little more than kin, and less than kind." (1.2)
This line is significant because it introduces a character and a theme at the same time. This is hamlet's first line and gives us insight on his attitude towards the king. This connects to the theme of Hamlet's hatred towards his unwanted (and unexpected) new family member by saying how claudius is actually close to him in relation however he still despises him.

dashaunf said

at 1:23 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hi Daylen, I like your connection of the quote to the theme of Hamlet's hatred. How do you think this theme developed throughout the rest of the play and impacted Hamlet?

daylenr said

at 12:11 am on Dec 18, 2018

It was developed throughout the play through the main action scenes. An example of this is the mousetrap where claudius stands and leaves the play which gives hamlet verification that claudius did commit the murder. This also impacts hamlet because it's one of the first instances we see of him finally taking more action with less indecisiveness. So this not only develops the theme, but the character of Hamlet.

kellyr said

at 10:45 am on Dec 17, 2018

Daylen, what do you think is the difference between a "crush"and being in love? How does Hamlet show evidence of either or both? Or possibly none?

daylenr said

at 12:03 am on Dec 18, 2018

Hey Kelly, by definition, a crush is to have a brief but intense infatuation for someone (basically just loving the idea of them). While from experience, being in love (in terms of dating) means connecting with that person emotionally, physically, and spiritually. It also means you're willing to resolve issues that arise with that person in order to maintain the relationship that you guys are developing together. Hamlet shows evidence of having a "crush" by his infatuation for ophelia being brief and for him, building up to a hope for increased intimacy. As soon as he is rejected his feelings turn to resentment. These feelings before and after were both intense. One can rebuttal that he says he loved her at her funeral, however, throughout the story, we see Hamlet is indecisive and will sometimes say and do things he doesn't feel that strong about. For example, there were over 5 instances where he says he doesn't love ophelia in the play. How do we know which is true if he contradicts himself constantly?

hakimc said

at 1:14 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Daylen, I understand why you might say that Hamlet should be included in the literary Canon and also agree. My question to you post is that the example that you give as to Hamlet being rejected by Ophelia, his crush, is weren't Hamlet briefly dating Ophelia? But then Ophelia broke up with Hamlet, so wouldn't that make Ophelia Hanlet's ex-girlfriend?

daylenr said

at 12:05 am on Dec 18, 2018

By the definition of a crush (see my response above to kelly), crushes can be girlfriends/ex-girlfriends. So yes that would make her his ex but still a crush.

hibbaa said

at 12:22 am on Dec 13, 2018

A) I believe that Hamlet should be in the literary canon because it does provide thoughtful insight into the human condition. Hamlet is a story of jealousy and rage which is applicable and useful to teachings as Matthew Truesdale said. Though I believe it should be included in the literary canon, which is the question asked, However I do not believe that it should be required to be taught in schools. Dana Dusbiber argued that translations and oral traditions from various parts of the world, such as Africa and South Asia, are equally relevant in regards of their commentary of human behavior, yet are scarcely taught in school. She also argues that she is a teacher of primarily students of color, they should be taught works that better reflects them and that white students should be opened up to a world of diversity. In response Truesdale argues that all students, including those of color, should be taught Shakespeare works because he cannot properly push his students if “I’m only ever holding up a mirror. Windows are good, too”. I, for one, have attended facilities that have had primarily students of color, and every year since sixth grade, we have studied a Shakespearean work. That is my window and is the window I’ve looked through my entire life, and will most likely continue to throughout college. The only “mirror’s”, I’ve ever seen are 9/11 videos shown in class. Throughout everyone’s educational experience, white authors and Western canon will always be the standard, in and out of high school, so if there’s opportunity to widen a students horizon or to have them experience literature that properly represents them, I think it should be done. I don’t think Shakespeare, or more specifically Hamlet should be disregarded but I don’t think it should be mandatory or prioritized that way that it is.

malloryb said

at 11:24 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hey, Hibba! I agree that stories coming from other cultures from around the world should be included in English courses. I believe that people being exposed to other cultures is essential to be able to grow and be a worldly human being. However, I do have to disagree in your point about the requirement part of your argument. Shakespeare was a knowledgeable writer who has influenced theatre and poetry that we see today, wouldn't you agree? Shakespeare also makes use of literary devices which is something we need to be familiar with come May. Thoughts?

hibbaa said

at 9:11 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Mallory, I'm not saying he's not knowledgeable or influential, I'm saying that students in high school shouldn't be required to study him since throughout the rest of their academic careers, its most likely will be doing so anyway.

malloryb said

at 9:22 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey, Hibba. I am having trouble understanding what you mean by this, could you possibly restate your comment please?

hibbaa said

at 10:19 pm on Dec 17, 2018

That though Shakespeare is no doubt influential, there are other more ethnic authors who are just influential, and that Shakespeare should not be required, emphasis on required, to be taught in high school, as most students study him throughout middle school and college. Despite this he is, as you said, influential, so he should be included in literary canon.

hibbaa said

at 12:28 am on Dec 13, 2018

B) "The rest is silence" This line is significant because these are Hamlet's last lines before his death. He spends his last few minutes thinking about life after death rather than the end of his life. In spite of all the speech he's said throughout the play and in his death, he still has little understanding about life or life after death of which he's spent a good portion of the play pondering, trying to understand death.

ishanis said

at 8:27 pm on Dec 13, 2018

Hibba, this is such a good quote! However, I think that this shows that Hamlet has a greater understanding of death than he did before. I agree that he spent a lot of the play thinking about death, but maybe in having his last line be this one, Shakespeare wanted to show that Hamlet has come to terms with his death. While throughout other parts of the play, Hamlet was debating whether to take his own life or not, there is a tone of resignation in this line that shows that Hamlet has accepted the fact that his death is inevitable and that he knows what's coming rather than him not understanding death.

hibbaa said

at 9:13 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hello Ishani, that's an interesting point about him accepting death,which I agree with, but I like to think that he's still confused about life after death rather than death itself.

davidc said

at 12:30 am on Dec 13, 2018

1. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because of its language, and complex characters along with many themes of love, treachery, and mortality still entertain readers today. Shakespeare created a range of emotions featured throughout his work and his ability to create “multilayered characters” such as hamlet is why we need to appreciate a play so ahead of its time. Hamlet should be considered part of the literary cannon because it is so complex and offers a lot to study and understand.

2. The most significant lines in Hamlet is, "Get thee to a nunnery. Why wouldst thou be a breeder of sinners?" (3.1.131) because it tells the audience how greatly hamlet is truly affected by the death of his father, this is the turning point in the play where hamlet see’s all women as equally evil, including his mother. These lines reveal that Hamlet considerers everyone to be living in a rotten world.

deontef said

at 3:54 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello David! This is a great quot, it really emphasizes the shift in Hamlet’s attitude towards women. Do you think they way Hamlet spoke Ophelia in this scene was fair?

davidc said

at 11:56 pm on Dec 16, 2018

The treatment of all women in the play is definitely more than unfair, perhaps Gertrude had a good reason to remarry so soon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

leylaa said

at 4:05 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi David, I find your choice of quote very interesting because I think Hamlets words here have an underlined meaning. You seem to be connecting this quote to Hamlets feeling about his father’s death and yet in the play Hamlet was talking to Ophelia here. Why do you think Hamlet’s way of expressing his emotions is to attack Ophelia or women in general?

davidc said

at 11:52 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Thank you Leyla, i believe that Hamlet expresses his emotions by verbally attacking and disrespecting Ophelia and his mother because he sees all women as defenseless yet evil. I connect this quote to Hamlets fathers death because the origin of hamlets resentment towards women is a direct result of king hamlets death, hamlet doesn't have a good way of dealing with emotional stress.

emilym said

at 12:36 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because of how Shakespeare uses both formal and informal language to create variation within the text, which makes the dialogue seem very natural. The colloquial language helps the reader understand the Old-English, which in turn helps them understand how the characters interact with each other and how the plot progresses. Despite the many tragic events within Hamlet, Shakespeare still managed to slip puns and humor in which makes the play very entertaining. Hamlet is a play that can be easily understood by any high schooler, with or without previous exposure to Old-English or other Shakespeare texts.
B. After Hamlet speaks to the ghost, Marcellus says “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. This line is by far one of the most significant lines in the entire play. Although it is spoken in the very beginning of the play, the line foreshadows the tragic events to come. This “rot” is King Claudius. All was well in Denmark until he poisoned King Hamlet, his own brother. He then married his sister-in-law and began plotting to kill his step-son/nephew. This causes Hamlet to go insane, which eventually leads him to kill Polonius. As a result, Ophelia killed herself and Laertes returned to kill Hamlet. The play ends in the death of all but one main character. That single line, which was spoken by a somewhat insignificant character, foreshadowed the entire plot of the play.

emilym said

at 12:37 am on Dec 13, 2018

“something is rotten in the state of Denmark” (1.5.11)

MsBoyd said

at 8:55 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hi, Emily. There is so much to unpack in this post! First, what about this play seems easy to understand? I know many students have trouble with it the first time around (I know I did), and I am curious about what makes it easy to comprehend. Second, I appreciate that you are pointing a finger to exactly *who* is rotten in Denmark. It's Claudius! Ha! Can we really blame him for the tragedy that befalls every other character? Is it all his fault?

emilym said

at 11:58 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hey, Ms. Boyd! Although the dialogue can be difficult to understand because of the many double-entendres and the sometimes ambiguous language, the overall plot and reoccurring themes are straightforward. I personally find Shakespeare tedious and painful to read, but Hamlet is an exception to this. Moving on to Claudius, I believe we can blame him for the undoing of almost every other character. First, he kills King Hamlet which is directly his fault because he actually poisoned him. The King's death, Claudius' quick marriage to Gertrude and his apprehension of the throne caused Hamlet's rage. Some may say that Hamlets madness caused him to stab Polonius, but it could be due to his disobedience and wrath. Polonius' death was indirectly Claudius' fault because it was an effect of the previously mentioned events. After Polonius is murdered, Hamlet is sent to England. Hamlet then discovers the plot to kill him and he sends a message to kill Rosencrantz and Guildenstern upon their arrival to England. The combination of these incidents caused Ophelia to go insane, there is no doubt that she is mentally unstable. Due to her insanity, she accidentally drowned in a nearby brook. Once again, this was an indirect result of Claudius' actions. The death of his father and sister sends Laertes into a rage, which makes him want to take revenge on Hamlet. Claudius takes advantage of his rage and plots with Laertes to kill Hamlet. During Hamlet's fight with Laertes, Gertrude accidentally drinks poisoned wine, which Claudius poisoned and he barely attempts to stop her from drinking it. After this, Hamlet is stabbed by Laertes with a poisoned sword and then Hamlet stabs Laertes with the poisoned sword. Then Hamlet stabs Claudius with the sword and makes him drink the rest of the poisoned wine. The chain of events begins with the murder of King Hamlet, so every event is a ramification of that. In total, nine characters die throughout the play, all due to Claudius' actions.

baileyr said

at 12:36 am on Dec 13, 2018

1. William Shakespeare’s Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because of its historical significance, which can be comprehensively understood through the use of the historical literary criticism. Regardless of its overdramatization of events, Hamlet serves as a window into the past, specifically for fifteenth to sixteenth-century England. The dialogue of Hamlet is filled with various colloquialisms and double entendres that Shakespeare uses to masterfully convey information in a sarcastic and amusing manner in both comedic and serious situations. For instance, in Act 2, Scene 2, Hamlet says the following line to Polonius “You are a fishmonger” (2.2.190). This statement’s ambiguity arises from the factnthat Hamlet could be calling Polonius a person who sells fish, and thus of a lower class, or that he smells like fish, and thus frequents or manages brothels. Shakespeare’s use of puns is also prevalent in Hamlet’s sexual innuendo-ridden remarks to Ophelia, such as before “The Mousetrap” scene. Before this play-within-a-play begins, Hamlet asks Ophelia “Do you think I meant country matters?” (3.2.123). Here, Hamlet is jabbing at Ophelia by making a pun on the phrase “country matters,” which could mean either matters of the state or, simply put, sexual intercourse. Therefore, Shakespeare’s expert use of wordplay in Hamlet effectively opens a door into the world of the past, so the inclusion of Hamlet in the English Literary Canon is unsurprising, to say the least.

kellyr said

at 6:29 am on Dec 14, 2018

Hello Bailey, I agree with you. Do you think Hamlet's mastery of language gives any insight to his character?

baileyr said

at 9:25 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Fantastic question, Kelly. I believe that Hamlet's mastery of language gives us and immense amount of insight to his character. Hamlet is shown to use prose and verse, as well as differing diction, throughout the play based on the given circumstances. This mastery of language, among other things, allows him to convince the other characters in the play of his alleged insanity. Through this, he is depicted as a derisive, clever, witty, and even sometimes sassy individual. On the other hand, his mastery of language also allows him to emphasize the intensity of his internal struggle, and his utter hatred of himself at times. In my opinion, one of the most powerful scenes of Hamlet is Hamlet’s soliloquy at the end of Act II, Scene II. To tie in the movie clips that we watched in class, I believe that Kenneth Branagh’s performance was the most emotionally moving. Here, Hamlet says “Yet I, / A dull and muddy-mettled rascal, peak, / Like John-a-dreams, unpregnant of my cause, / And can say nothing; no, not for a king / Upon whose property and most dear life / A damn'd defeat was made. Am I a coward? / Who calls me ‘villain’? breaks my pate across? / Plucks off my beard, and blows it in my face? / Tweaks me by the nose? gives me the lie I’ th’ throat / As deep as to the lungs? Who does me this? / Ha! 'Swounds, I should take it! For it cannot be / But I am pigeon-liver'd and lack gall / To make oppression bitter, or ere this / I should have fatted all the region kites / With this slave's offal. Boody, bawdy villain! / Remorseless, treacherous, lecherous, kindless villain! / O, vengeance!” (2.2.593-610). His exclamations as well as his pure, unadulterated fury conveyed by his diction show that he is in legitimate pain because of his inability to act and thus meet the expectations of the ghost of his father as well as his expectations for himself. Hamlet resents his current situation, and he hates himself for not being able to change it.

baileyr said

at 9:25 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Thus, Hamlet is also depicted as reflective to a fault. If anything were to drive him insane, it would be his own thoughts.

naomiy said

at 12:43 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because Hamlet focuses on human behavior that is still relevent today. It’s themes throughout the play are relatable - love, grief, revenge, etc. These are emotions and feelings that everyone can apply to their own lives. A post by Matthew Truesdale explains Shakespeare’s work “has much to teach us about the modern human condition.” Hamlet is significant because of the way Shakespeare portrays those emotions throughout the play and through different characters. He is able to show how different characters react to similar feelings and what that shows about them as characters. Even though the storyline may not be very relatable, the feelings and emotions the characters feel are. Shakespeare captivates people through the passion that he is able to evoke into characters making each reader feel connected to the story in some way.
B. “Doubt thou the stars are fire, Doubt that the sun doth move. Doubt truth to be a liar. But never doubt I love” – Polonius Act II, Scene II. Polonius reads this to Gertrude and Claudius from Hamlet’s letter to Ophelia. In this line, Hamlet is saying you can doubt all the truths in the universe but do not doubt my love for you. The theme of love is clearly represented by these lines. Hamlet expresses his love for Ophelia. Yet, the parents of the writer and receiver of the letter are the ones analyzing it. This represents the mistrust that they feel towards Hamlet based on his erratic behavior.

sophiaw said

at 8:28 am on Dec 14, 2018

Naomi, this is such an interesting quote because it shows direct evidence of Hamlet's unfailing love to Ophelia, yet later in the play, Hamlet refutes his statement by saying he never loved Ophelia. My idea is that he really did love Ophelia endlessly, and the only reason he said he didn’t, was because of embarrassment and pride. Since Ophelia was the one to end their relationship, he was probably heartbroken. I think that he didn’t want to be broken up with, so he pretended to never love her, to spare his pride. Why do you think that Hamlet’s feelings towards Ophelia changed so quickly?

naomiy said

at 1:52 am on Dec 17, 2018

Sophie, I totally agree! It is evident that Hamlet loved Ophelia based on how he reacted when learning of her death. He was struck by an immense amount of grief, something one feels with the death of someone they loved.

baileyr said

at 12:53 am on Dec 13, 2018

2. "The time is out of joint.” (1.5.210). Here, Hamlet is summarizing all of the issues presented within the first act of the play into a single, short sentence. As of this moment in the play, Denmark has about a million problems, most notably the lack of mourning for the dead king, an incestuous marriage between Hamlet’s dead father’s widow Gertrude and his uncle Claudius, and Fortinbras’ threat of invading Denmark to reclaim the lands taken from his father. To top it all off, a ghost wearing the king’s armor who claims to be Hamlet’s dead father tells Hamlet that Claudius murdered him, and he wants Hamlet to enact revenge on Claudius. So, in more simple words, the timing of everything that is happening sucks, and Hamlet has to deal with it all. Hamlet expresses his discontent toward this situation in his next sentence: “O cursed spite / That ever I was born to set it right!” (1.5.211). This overwhelming responsibility is a recurring theme of the play, and Hamlet’s plans to confront, as well as his subsequent confrontation of, these issues are the basis of the majority of the play’s integral conflicts.

baileyr said

at 1:06 am on Dec 13, 2018

Speaking of time being out of joint, the timestamps for some of these posts are incorrect... My second post was between 11:50 and 11:53 pm, not 12:53 am. "Something is rotten in the state of [the Pbworks website]" (1.4.100).

baileyr said

at 1:06 am on Dec 13, 2018

Double quote bam

andrewg said

at 12:55 am on Dec 13, 2018

Hamlet is included in the literary cannon due to the multiple purposes it can serve. The play incorporates many life lessons, complex English, and teaches people about the “modern human condition.” The complexities shown in Hamlet leave readers to interpret and create their own theories, which is necessary to teach students. English teacher, Dana Disbiber claimed that Shakespeare should no longer be taught due to lack of diversity and outdated messages. While these points are plausible, Matthew Truesdale’s response shuts it down. He said, “Ethnically diverse students don’t foolishly fall in love and over-dramatize…?” This point is crucial because it touches on how Shakespeare’s messages can connect to all students. Work that is old can be called into question, but when all of the principles stated still apply and can incite conversation, it is important to learn.


“The soldiers' music and the rites of war, Speak loudly for him.”

This quote is arguably the most significant quote of this play. Obviously Fortinbras is honoring Hamlet but this also serves other meanings. Hamlet wanted to get revenge on Claudius for the majority of the play, which he did by killing him. However, this quote by Fortinbras really shows the true revenge he got on Claudius. By killing him, nothing is truly accomplished. Placing the image of a terrible person on him for the rest of eternity is the real revenge. In the end, Claudius is a known murderer and Hamlet will forever be honored.

anyal said

at 11:31 am on Dec 13, 2018

Andrew, I really liked the quote you chose here. I have never thought that this quote would be considered so significant but your argument has influenced me otherwise. You also stated that Hamlet teaches people about the "modern human condition". What does that mean to you?

andrewg said

at 1:58 pm on Dec 17, 2018

This is a reference to Matthew Truesdale's response to Dana Dusbiber regarding the modern-day teaching of Shakespeare. I interpreted that to mean how Shakespeare's characters portray the common person due to their emotions and actions and we can all benefit from learning about that.

rubena said

at 8:35 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Andrew! What an amazing quote you picked! I liked how you mention the aspect of honor into the play. What do you think honor is important for Hamlet and the play in general?

andrewg said

at 1:59 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Honor is important because even though we look at them as normal people, they are leading a country and the king/queen must be honest and act with all good intentions.

davidc said

at 12:00 am on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Andrew, what a great and unique quote. Do you personally believe that hamlet was ultimately victorious in achieving his revenge against Claudius ?

andrewg said

at 2:00 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I do. Not because he killed him but because he painted him as a villain for the rest of existence.

davidc said

at 11:03 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Absolutely!

kamillaa said

at 6:14 am on Dec 13, 2018

1. Hamlet is considered a literary canon due to its universal themes, criticism of gender, and providing a look into history. Throughout the play, Hamlet touches on many universal themes including love, loss, and revenge. Hamlet is very distraught after his mother marries King Claudius so shortly after his father's death, it makes him wonder about her love. Also, Ophelia struggled with her love for Hamlet and her families extreme disapproval of their relationship. Hamlet's love for his father was the motivation behind his need for revenge. Loss is a repetitive theme that is not hard to see in Hamlet due to the presence of so many deaths. The play itself revolves around the death of King Hamlet from the beginning, without him there would be no plot. Then as the play continues, we have the death of Polonius, Ophelia, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, King Claudius, Laertes, Gertrude, and Hamlet himself. The play forces the reader to think about human mortality and nobody has the ability to avoid it. Revenge is also a prominent theme, one which also strongly applies to the plot because of Hamlet's need to get revenge on King Claudius for the death of his father. All of these themes contribute to Hamlet being a literary canon because humans struggle with these problems during any time period. During the play, women were often sexualized and portrayed as weaker inferior beings. Hamlet often spoke down to his lover Ophelia and spoke to her in sexual ways that made her uncomfortable. His mother Gertrude was also portrayed in ways that made her oblivious and inferior to ways of the men around her like King Claudius. Literary canons often show societal imbalance between genders. Lastly, literary canons are read throughout time, no matter the time they were written. Hamlet is examined in literary courses today and provides a look into history. It reveals the gender roles, class structure, and more regarding the time it was written.

daniellai said

at 11:43 am on Dec 13, 2018

Hello Kamilla,

After reading this, you were able to open my eyes to a whole new perspective of the text. by viewing its importance to literary canon as a result of the universal themes that the play touches on. Like you stated, the themes of love, loss, and revenge are present. In terms of love, I feel as if each character shows love to an extent. For instance, no matter what, Gertrude still continued to love Hamlet and, in a way, always understood what he was going through, especially knowing his feelings towards her new marriage. Loss is a common theme throughout the play because each character loses something important to them. Ophelia loses Hamlet, then her father and eventually her life, Laertes loses his whole family, Hamlet loses his father and his lover...the list goes on. Lastly, the entire play is centered around revenge as Hamlet--while following the ghosts orders--inevitably slays Claudius, punishing him for taking his fathers life, crown, and wife.

kamillaa said

at 11:39 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Daniella! Thank you for your input! I can see where you feel the characters show love to an extent. I feel like that is due to the wide range of their relationships to each other. Gertrude of course will love Hamlet regardless because he is her son, while Ophelia loves him in a different sense. Also, the audience is able to see the love in Hamlet's relationship with Horatio, being that he is Hamlet's only true friend. However, Horatio could never love Hamlet in the same way that Gertrude or Ophelia do.

kamillaa said

at 6:30 am on Dec 13, 2018

2. One of the most significant lines from Hamlet comes from his famous soliloquy “To be or not to be-that is the question”(3.1.64) Hamlet is debating whether it is best to live or to die. He is disgusted by all of the recent happenings around him. His father has been killed by his uncle, who his mother married after the murder. Hamlet wonders if it would be easier to just end all his struggles by killing himself or to live on while suffering. He thinks that killing himself is a questionable option because it is unknown what happens after death. The quote connects with the consistent theme of death throughout the play because Hamlet goes through an analysis of death and its meaning. Also, it is ironic that Hamlet so deeply thinks about killing himself because he is killed either way in the end, so there is no need for “the question” in the first place. The quote foreshadows the wave of death that comes for the characters in the end, taking the lives of Laertes, King Claudius, Gertrude, and Hamlet himself.

ayanab said

at 10:46 pm on Dec 14, 2018

I agree that this is one of the most significant quotes throughout the play. Many deaths are happening throughout the play and now the main character is questioning whether his life has purpose or not. How differently do you think the plot would be if Hamlet was to kill himself in act 3. Do you believe that Polonius and Hamlets mother would still share the throne?

kamillaa said

at 11:17 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hey Ayana, that's an interesting question. If Hamlet killed himself in Act 3 then the entire purpose of the plot would change. After Act 3, there would no longer be a motivation for revenge that pushes the plot forward, and therefore all the death and tragedy that occurred because of Hamlet would never happen, the characters would just continue with their lives. Knowing the way Shakespeare must still end his plays with tragedy, the play would most likely end with Ophelia and Gertrude going mad and killing themselves over the death of Hamlet, which would leave the throne to King Claudius alone.

ezraj said

at 8:27 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the literary canon because of its and Shakespeare’s influence on all of literature. Many authors have had an impact on literature as a whole throughout their lives, but none more so than Shakespeare, and one of his most widely known works, Hamlet. The reason Hamlet is so widely known is because of the way it looks at how people act when in situations of distress and what they are willing to do for something they believe is right.
B. “As harbingers preceding still the fates
And prologue to the omen coming on,
Have heaven and earth together demonstrated
Unto our climatures and countrymen.” (1.1.135-138) This is a quote spoken by Horatio in the first act and can be seen as foreshadowing what is to come later in the play and the deaths and tragedies yet to come.

karlosfv said

at 12:53 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Ezra, do you have any other reasons as to why the play is apart of English literary canon, because while the situations can be analyzed by many, this play isn't the only one that has those types of situations. Also, Hamlet may not be known for that reasoning either, as it may be known due to mainly it's famous lines more than anything else. Do you agree or disagree, or at least have another reason Hamlet is in English literary canon?

katelyni said

at 2:24 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hi Ezra! The point you made about Hamlet focusing on how people act when in times of distress and what they are willing to do for something they believe is right is very interesting. I agree with you but also think that the main plot is about Hamlet not knowing what is right and what he should do about it. His questioning about the truth prolongs the play to the extent that it has.

andrewk said

at 9:34 am on Dec 13, 2018

A. Hamlet is included in the literary canon because it is written by a brilliant playwright, William Shakespeare. However, it’s not just the fact that the Hamlet is written by Shakespeare, it’s how he masters the English language and creates a wonderfully crafted tragedy. In Hamlet, Shakespeare is able to weave many themes into the plot. From death to revenge, there are many themes to explore. The fact that there are many themes allows us to study the work in a more critical and in-depth way. For example, Hamlet struggles with death, and whether it is worth it to live. However, he also struggles with taking revenge. Despite the complex structure of the work which motivates a deeper understanding, some, such as Dana Dusbiber, believe that we should not study Shakespeare because it has no relation to today’s way of living. However, I believe that Hamlet should be in the literary canon. To say it should not be studied because it’s old is to say we should forget history. If there’s one thing that society has learned, it’s that we can learn from history.

maxo said

at 2:56 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hello, Drew. Great point made on how we should still be studied and included in the literary canon as it is important to learn and build off of. Also your line by Marcellus is a really good example and I agree that it truly foreshadows the rest of the play. My question to you is do you think Marcellus is saying this as he knows that King Hamlet was murdered by Claudius or is it just because he senses trouble coming on?

andrewk said

at 12:40 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hello Max, thank you for your question. I believe that Marcellus said the quote because he just sensed that something was wrong. However, he might have sensed some foul play in the death of King Hamlet since they saw his ghost.

andrewk said

at 9:34 am on Dec 13, 2018

B. A significant line from Hamlet is when Marcellus says, “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” This line is significant because it foreshadows the rest of the play. Indeed, something is rotten in Denmark. Claudius has killed his brother and married his wife. This causes other characters to become “rotten”, such as Hamlet, who kills Polonius. This indirectly leads to the death of Ophelia. In the end of the book, each character has a rotten desire, and it ends up leaving them all dead. Gertrude, who married her husband’s brother, dies. Laertes, who intended to poison Hamlet, dies. Claudius, who also intended to poison hamlet, killed his brother, and married his wife, dies. Polonius, who tried to forbid his daughter from seeing someone, dies. Hamlet, who tried to get revenge on Claudius, dies. This line clearly connects with the theme of death, as it foreshadows many deaths later in the play.

deontef said

at 4:01 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Andrew, this is a great quote! You made a great point on how the line connects to the theme of death in Hamlet. You mentioned Hamlet killing Polonius. How much do you think the play would’ve been even different if Hamlet didn’t kill Polonius?

andrewk said

at 12:43 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Hi Deonte, great question! If Hamlet didn't kill Polonius, I believe that Hamlet would've been successful in killing Calduius without dying. This would be due to Laertes not getting mad that Hamlet killed his father.

rubena said

at 8:31 pm on Dec 14, 2018

Hey Andrew! What a great quote you picked! What do you think could be the political implications with this quote? How does it affect the story and outline of Hamlet with Claudius marrying Gertrude?

andrewk said

at 12:48 pm on Dec 17, 2018

Thanks for the question, Ruben. I don't think this quote had any implications on the story as it was said by such a minor character. If the quote had been said by a more significant character, like Hamlet, it may have had more implications.

ayanab said

at 10:26 pm on Dec 13, 2018

a) I feel as though Hamlet should be included in the literary cannon due to the fact that its universal themes will still apply to any time period. This epic play that Shakespeare has composed will never go out dated. These , many themes allow readers to go in - depth with the text and continue to view the play at many different angles. Alike what Truesdale stated, Hamlet shares the same emotions and losses that the average kid can somewhat relate to.
b) "o most wicked speed, to post/ with such dexterity to incestuous sheets! / It is not nor it cannot come to good/ But break my heart , for I must hold my tongue" This is Hamlets soliloquy: he is stating how he cannot bare his mothers and king Polonius relationship. Which relates back to the theme of disgust that Hamlet has with Polonius due to the fact that he stole the throne from him, killed his father, and is now married to his mother.

MsBoyd said

at 8:52 am on Dec 15, 2018

Hey, Ayana! What a great choice for most significant line. I often think about Hamlet holding his tongue, and the fact that he thinks he "must." How much of the tragedy in this play could have been avoided if Hamlet (and others) spoke to each other instead of schemed against each other? And does he *have* to keep his thoughts to himself, or could he instead be direct with those around him?

ayanab said

at 5:54 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Ms Boyd , i feel as though most of the tragedy in this play would have been avoided him the scheming were limited. Many of the schemes in this play were due to the act of poison ; Polonius poisoned King Hamlet to gain his throne and towards the end Hamlets mother died due to drinking poison. Also, Hamlet killed Claudius due to the fact that he was scheming against Polonius, so many deaths were due to the scheming of characters. Hamlet does not “have” to keep his thoughts silenced, but the fact that he is trying to scheme against Polonius it is easier if his thought were kept secret. If Hamlet was totally direct, Polonius would be more cautious of him then he already has been.

shireet said

at 6:11 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hamlet is considered to be in the literary canon because it has been able to connect and reach out to students and readers for over 400 years. Shakespeare included many different themes about morals in Hamlet such as revenge, family and war. While not everyone may go through these specific themes, it is amazing that Hamlet can still connect to the experiences of many of its readers. While Hamlet does have very special themes that connect to the entirety of the plot, it is not the only book in the world with said themes. There are many critics of including Shakespeare in the English curriculum because there are many other more modern works that could convey the same themes better because it is less old. Shakespeare did not patent the themes or ideas in Hamlet. Those same themes have been used countlessly in modern works. Critics argue that is it even worth reading Shakespeare because there is someone else who could do the same thing in a more modern sense of the word.

The most important line in the play is the line "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." This line foreshadows the entire plot of story from the murders at the end and beginning of the play. The line is first said in the first act by Marcellus, a guardsmen who witnesses the late King Hamlet's ghost walking around the Elsinore castle. Ghost were not to be believed in, they were perceived more as demons in disguise. This is where the line comes from, but I'm certain that when Marcellus first said the line, he had no idea what was truly going to happen to Denmark. I think the line completely sets up the play by giving it a very mysterious mood making the reader anxious as to what is going to happen next.

esmeraldas said

at 10:02 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Hey Shiree, I definitely agree with you that "Hamlet" gives the reader the ability to connect to the characters. Do you think Shakespeare's works will be read 400 years from now?

shireet said

at 12:57 pm on Dec 17, 2018

I personally feel as though Hamlet will always have a place in the English literary canon, it just may not have the same affect as it does now. Just like how now, it doesn't have the same affect it did when it was first published. There will be soo many amazing works coming out within the next few centuries that may outshine Shakespeare,

hakimc said

at 10:59 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Reason for inclusion in literary canon:

Hamlet is included in the literary Canon because of its relevance in today's society. In Hamlet, we see certain characters representing what life is like now. One example is Hamlet. Hamlet, the main character of this play, suffers depression due to the loss of his father. Throughout the play, we see Hamlet contemplate suicides due to his lower self esteem, this is related to today's society of how a loss of a loved one can cause a person to be depressed. Their lives may seem to them as useless because they don't have their love ones anymore, it could potentially cause lonliness amongst a person and their relationship with others could possibly break. We see similar situation, as Hamlet found out his father's death, he became saddened and gone "insane" which then cause his relationship with Ophelia to break. Another example of how Hamlet can relate to today's society is through the character of Ophelia. This will go a bit into the gender criticism lens. In society, what still happens is that women by some are treated as less than equal which leaves the women powerless in terms of their decision. This also happens in Hamlet, through the character of Ophelia. Ophelia makes a decision to go out with Hamlet but ultimately decides to break up. The reason could potentially lead to Polonious and Laertes, telling her not to go out with Hamlet regarding his insanity. This happens in today's society somehow by maybe a father of a daughter told the daughter that they can't do something and the daughters are left powerless. Even though these examples may not fit everyone in this society, but they do exist in some way which would regard Hamlet as a piece part of the literary canon.

hakimc said

at 11:00 pm on Dec 16, 2018

Quote and it's significance:

I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is
southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw.
(2.2.313)

This quote is significance because it refers to one of the theme of Hamlet, "Madness". This line directed at Rosencrantz and Gildenstern is significant because Hamlet has stated that like the wind occasionally from North - North - West, he has occasionally been struck with a case of Madness. In these lines he signals a warning, a warning that even insane, he could still be able to distinguish like and unlike things, that is, in this case, he is warning that he could be able to tell who is really his friend or whoever is his enemy.

alysiaw said

at 12:19 am on Dec 17, 2018

a. Hamlet is included in the English Literary Canon because it is timeless and has universal themes that are still relevant today. Hamlet gives insight to the culture of the Elizabethan Era and the language of Elizabethan England. Even though the language is different it is relatable because of the insights to human condition and the themes of loss, mourning, revenge, love, and power. Hamlet provides a lens to view some of life’s greatest challenges and hardest moments and tactics to deal with those hardships. This causes people to connect with Hamlet, empathize with the characters so that this play appeals to everyone and not just the rich. Readers learn the purpose of life through the characters and plot. Hamlet should be included in the canon because of its creativity, artistic value, and high aesthetic quality. This play has been redone multiple times including film versions. Each version has different approaches that showcases unexpected things found in the play even after hundreds of years.
b. “The Serpent that did sting thy father’s life now wears his crown.” This quote from Act 1 scene 5 is most important in showing the themes of political instability and power through matters of corruption. Claudius killed King Hamlet to feed his hunger for power over Denmark. This is very important because it shows why Hamlet went mad. This sets the scene for the disastrous downfall of Denmark. Everything that takes place after is because of Claudius’ initial action.

naomiy said

at 1:56 am on Dec 17, 2018

Alysia, I completely agree with the point you made in point "a." I also think Hamlet is universal in the way that it can be interpreted in different ways, allowing people to relate to it through different analyzations of the text.

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